Ponder named starter

**GeronimusClone** · 10-18-2011, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by benjay

The vikings coaching staff sucks. I was never big on the Frasier hire and now it's confirmed.

I hated it as well.

**CyFan61** · 10-18-2011, 04:08 PM

To think the Vikings could've hired Mike Tomlin...

**Taco** · 10-18-2011, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by timappelgate

No. We need Blackmon. Not Luck.

No. Blackmon is a big time receiver, but Luck is being labeled a "Perfect Quarterback" for the draft. All of the analysts are saying that he is the best quarterback to come out of college since John Elway. If you read some of their reports, they are saying that there is not a single flaw in him as a prospect.

IF Ponder plays well the remainder of the season, or shows that he has the potential to be a franchise qb, and the Vikings have the #1 pick, they have the option to trade that pick. There will be teams will be willing to give up A LOT to draft Luck. If Ponder blows, then they pick Luck, and build around him.

Side note, Luck is only a junior, so it's not even a guarantee he comes out this year, although most are projecting him to.

**IcSyU** · 10-18-2011, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Taco

No. Blackmon is a big time receiver, but Luck is being labeled a "Perfect Quarterback" for the draft. All of the analysts are saying that he is the best quarterback to come out of college since John Elway. If you read some of their reports, they are saying that there is not a single flaw in him as a prospect.

IF Ponder plays well the remainder of the season, or shows that he has the potential to be a franchise qb, and the Vikings have the #1 pick, they have the option to trade that pick. There will be teams will be willing to give up A LOT to draft Luck. If Ponder blows, then they pick Luck, and build around him.

Side note, Luck is only a junior, so it's not even a guarantee he comes out this year, although most are projecting him to.

Luck's a senior.

**RING4CY** · 10-18-2011, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by JUKEBOX

If Ponder sucks the Vikes can snag Luck.

Viking fans really want them to spend first round picks in back-to-back years on quarterbacks?

**GMackey32** · 10-18-2011, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by IcSyU

Luck's a senior.

Luck's a RS Junior.

**GeronimusClone** · 10-18-2011, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Taco

No. Blackmon is a big time receiver, but Luck is being labeled a "Perfect Quarterback" for the draft. All of the analysts are saying that he is the best quarterback to come out of college since John Elway. If you read some of their reports, they are saying that there is not a single flaw in him as a prospect.

IF Ponder plays well the remainder of the season, or shows that he has the potential to be a franchise qb, and the Vikings have the #1 pick, they have the option to trade that pick. There will be teams will be willing to give up A LOT to draft Luck. If Ponder blows, then they pick Luck, and build around him.

Side note, Luck is only a junior, so it's not even a guarantee he comes out this year, although most are projecting him to.

I remember how high everyone was on Ryan Leaf too. He was a "can't miss".

**3TrueFans** · 10-18-2011, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by GeronimusClone

I remember how high everyone was on Ryan Leaf too. He was a "can't miss".

He's just going through a slight slump, give him time.

**3GenClone** · 10-18-2011, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by RING4CY

Viking fans really want them to spend first round picks in back-to-back years on quarterbacks?

Why not? The Vikings could have Ponder AND Luck on the roster for the same price as Sam Bradford.

Because of the new CBA, 1st rounders are valued about the same as a high-end free agent - Cam Newton's deal is worth $22 million (all guaranteed) over 4 years. Compare that to Bradford's 6 year $78 million ($50 million guaranteed).

**MNCyGuy** · 10-18-2011, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by 3GenClone

Why not? The Vikings could have Ponder AND Luck on the roster for the same price as Sam Bradford.

Because of the new CBA, 1st rounders are valued about the same as a high-end free agent - Cam Newton's deal is worth $22 million (all guaranteed) over 4 years. Compare that to Bradford's 6 year $78 million ($50 million guaranteed).

Yea, but do you really want a 2nd year player being a rookies backup, or vice versa? No, which means you'd still have to have a third decent veteran QB on the roster, be it McNabb or someone else. It just doesn't make sense to keep both (if it works out that way). A best case scenario would be that Ponder looks attractive the rest of the season so we could deal one of them to address some of the its other glaring needs.

**Rhoadhoused** · 10-18-2011, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by MNCyGuy

We'll see how Ponder looks here. If he has potential, it wouldn't be the dumbest thing if they had the #1 pick to trade down for more picks. Is Luck with this line/receivers/etc. better than Ponder with an upgraded line and better targets?

That would be fantastic. If Ponder looks good the rest of the year, but we still end up with the 1st pick there are teams that would trade an arm and a leg (plus 2 firsts) to trade up and get Luck. That could really help the Vikings get back on track. That being said, if Ponder looks good enough to pass on Luck the Vikings likely won't have the first pick.

And if you are wondering how McNabb took this, reports are he got ****** and threw his bowl of chunky soup at Frazier but it landed at his feet.

**Kyle** · 10-18-2011, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Rhoadhoused

That being said, if Ponder looks good enough to pass on Luck the Vikings likely won't have the first pick.

QFT

**ISUFB** · 10-18-2011, 06:26 PM

Packers may just have a field day.

**Sigmapolis** · 10-18-2011, 06:31 PM

Might as well play Ponder and see what you have in him. I kind of see him as another Chad Pennington--decent arm, decent head, but without the physical tools or attitude to really dominate the game or go deep into the playoffs. At least, from what I see, he says more "game manager" than franchise quarterback. Then again, I thought the same thing out of Colt McCoy, and now he's carrying my fantasy teams.

Play Ponder. See how he does. If he does well enough to justify sticking with him, there's virtually no chance the Vikings end up with the #1 pick (and Luck will go first or second overall, 100%), so need to worry about this situation. I really doubt the Vikings are going to end-up with a worse record than the Colts, Dolphins, or (hell) the Rams, so this probably won't be an issue end the end anyways.

However, if it is: either pick Luck and deal Ponder, or trade the #1 pick for a king's ransom (the Chargers got a top-5 pick, a 2nd rounder, a 3rd rounder, and Tim Dwight out of the Michael Vick deal) to shore-up the defense or the offensive line and go to town with Ponder. I just wonder if the Vikes can get something going again, good, while AP is still in his prime. I would even think it would be a shame to see his window close before they throw together another competitive team.

**Rhoadhoused** · 10-18-2011, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Sigmapolis

Might as well play Ponder and see what you have in him. I kind of see him as another Chad Pennington--decent arm, decent head, but without the physical tools or attitude to really dominate the game or go deep into the playoffs. At least, from what I see, he says more "game manager" than franchise quarterback. Then again, I thought the same thing out of Colt McCoy, and now he's carrying my fantasy teams.

Play Ponder. See how he does. If he does well enough to justify sticking with him, there's virtually no chance the Vikings end up with the #1 pick (and Luck will go first or second overall, 100%), so need to worry about this situation. I really doubt the Vikings are going to end-up with a worse record than the Colts, Dolphins, or (hell) the Rams, so this probably won't be an issue end the end anyways.

However, if it is: either pick Luck and deal Ponder, or trade the #1 pick for a king's ransom (the Chargers got a top-5 pick, a 2nd rounder, a 3rd rounder, and Tim Dwight out of the Michael Vick deal) to shore-up the defense or the offensive line and go to town with Ponder. I just wonder if the Vikes can get something going again, good, while AP is still in his prime. I would even think it would be a shame to see his window close before they throw together another competitive team.

The #1 pick is worth even more now that the rookie contracts are scaled down. If I were trading the 1st pick for the 5th this year, with how good luck is as a prospect I would expect at least a 2nd and the teams first pick next year and probably a 3rd as well. I'll have to look up that chart that teams supposedly use.

EDIT: According to this the value of the 1st pick is equal to the 5th plus the 10th. There is a 1,300 point gap between the 1st and 5th and the 5th pick of the 2nd round is worth about 500 points.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php