Paul Pierce - HOF?

[Clones85']

Haha..there are obviously some contextual errors with their formula. But at the very least there is some science (however bizarre) behind it.

I would agree that Nash has no business being behind those fellas. As Bryce Harper would say, "That's a clown stat, bro."

My question is what else does Tim Duncan have to do to get that extra .0000001% ??

[brentblum]

My question is what else does Tim Duncan have to do to get that extra .0000001% ??

Date Eva Longoria?

[HiltonMagic]

I'm not forgetting it and mentioned it. No doubt that is big. Give Pierce credit, he is pretty clutch, I've just never thought of him as a top 10 player in the league and thus it's hard for me to see him as a Hall of Fame player. Granted I don't know the guidelines or how many can be selected a year.

And I agree on the borderline HOF, but people act like he's a shoe in, and that is what I don't get. KG is a shoe in. Ray Allen being the alltime 3 point shooter probably makes him a shoe in. Although his career has been similiar to Pierces

Where? I see no mention of the title or Finals MVP.

They always lump in the BIG 3 as 1st ballot Hall of Famer's and I don't get it. It's bothered me for years. Why does everyone just assume Paul Pierce is a 1st ballot HOF'er?

Never been a superstar
Never been 1st team All NBA
Only been 2nd team All NBA 1 time in career
Only been 3rd team All NBA 3 times in career
Didn't do anything in the playoffs until KG, Allen, and Rondo came to town

Career averages are solid
22 ppg, 6 rebounds, 3.9 assists, 1.5 steals

His resume is shockingly similiar to Vince Carter minus the very obvious and important ring. Now I think he's better than Carter but statistically and by All NBA standards they are the same player. I don't think anyone considers Carter a Hall of Fame player, do they?

How about Tracy McGrady? From 2000 to 2007, McGrady was a better player than Pierce. Difference is that he played for Orlando instead of Boston.

I'm guessing most disagree with me but just seeing if anyone agrees.

[HiltonMagic]

What do you think about Tracy McGrady than? His career was much much better than Carter's and Pierces (minus the obvious ring)

Wow. Not sure you could be more wrong.

[Clones85']

Where? I see no mention of the title or Finals MVP.

Where I say, "very obvious and important ring."

[Clones85']

Wow. Not sure you could be more wrong.

Go compare their first 10 years in the league. Compare both of them during their primes.

[Drive4cy]

McGrady shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Paul Pierce in terms of overall career. I would agree that TMac had a higher ceiling than PP but McGrady's prime only lasted about 3 years due to injuries. Not to mention McGrady's lack of playoff success. He played on some decent Houston teams that could have easily made some runs.

Pierce was durable during his career, won a championship, was a Finals MVP, and averaged 22, 6, and 4. The guy deserves to be in the HOF.

[HiltonMagic]

Go compare their first 10 years in the league. Compare both of them during their primes.

Last time I checked, careers are more than just the time 'in their primes'

Based on your reasoning, Terrell Davis would be the best RB ever in the NFL.

[HiltonMagic]

McGrady shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Paul Pierce in terms of overall career. I would agree that TMac had a higher ceiling than PP but McGrady's prime only lasted about 3 years due to injuries. Not to mention McGrady's lack of playoff success. He played on some decent Houston teams that could have easily made some runs.

Pierce was durable during his career, won a championship, was a Finals MVP, and averaged 22, 6, and 4. The guy deserves to be in the HOF.

Thank you.

[Clones85']

McGrady shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Paul Pierce in terms of overall career. I would agree that TMac had a higher ceiling than PP but McGrady's prime only lasted about 3 years due to injuries. Not to mention McGrady's lack of playoff success. He played on some decent Houston teams that could have easily made some runs.

Pierce was durable during his career, won a championship, was a Finals MVP, and averaged 22, 6, and 4. The guy deserves to be in the HOF.

8 straight seasons of over 24 ppg. How do you get only 3 years out of that? He was All NBA team for 7 seasons.

Compare McGrady's playoff stats to that of Pierce's as well. 4 more ppg, more rebounds, more assists. He just played on bad teams. He didn't have the supporting cast that Pierce has had.

McGrady's playoff #'s during his prime

2001 Orlando 4 4 44.5 .415 .200 .816 6.5 8.3 1.8 1.2 33.8
2002 Orlando 4 4 44.5 .462 .313 .739 6.3 5.5 .5 1.8 30.8
2003 Orlando 7 7 44.0 .448 .340 .773 6.7 4.7 2.0 .9 31.7
2005 Houston 7 7 43.0 .456 .370 .824 7.4 6.7 1.6 1.4 30.7
2007 Houston 7 7 40.0 .394 .250 .737 5.9 7.3 .7 .9 25.3
2008 Houston 6 6 41.2 .425 .208 .623 8.2 6.8 1.5 .8 27.0

Numbers above are way better than Pierce's ever have been

[HiltonMagic]

What do you think about Tracy McGrady than? His career was much much better than Carter's and Pierces (minus the obvious ring)

That's a clown question, bro.

[Clones85']

Last time I checked, careers are more than just the time 'in their primes'

Based on your reasoning, Terrell Davis would be the best RB ever in the NFL.

Really a solid comparison. Afterall I am calling McGrady the best ever.

7 time all NBA player to Pierce's 4 years. Better scorer for a solid 8-10 years. Better playoff #'s than Pierce. His resume is better minus the ring. If you have an argument to show Pierce's resume is better, please show it, as I love the conversation and have changed my stance on some things after reading others posts, but so far you've added nothing to this thread.

And back to another question/point now. If Paul Pierce has a career in Orlando and Toronto is he a HOF'er? I question it.

[HiltonMagic]

Really a solid comparison. Afterall I am calling McGrady the best ever.

7 time all NBA player to Pierce's 4 years. Better scorer for a solid 8-10 years. Better playoff #'s than Pierce. His resume is better minus the ring. If you have an argument to show Pierce's resume is better, please show it, as I love the conversation and have changed my stance on some things after reading others posts, but so far you've added nothing to this thread.

And back to another question/point now. If Paul Pierce has a career in Orlando and Toronto is he a HOF'er? I question it.

I don't need an argument to something that's a non-question.

[shawn_200m]

Go compare their first 10 years in the league. Compare both of them during their primes.

McGrady has played one more year than Pierce...18000 career pts, 5000 rebs, 1100 stls, 4100 ast, 0 PLAYOFF WINS.

Pierce: 23000 pts, 6100 rebs, 4000 asts, 1500 stls, 15 Playoff series wins, 2 conference titles, 1 NBA title, 1 finals MVP.

No comparison.

[Clones85']

I don't need an argument to something that's a non-question.

And....you've continued to add nothing to this thread. Thanks!