MNf - WTF

**hawkfan2679** · 09-24-2012, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Hawkeye11en1

There - they just said it. You don't need POSSESSION. You need CONTROL. Jennings had control over it long before Tate. AND had a ton more of it. AND had his body on it.

Quoted the rule book and everything...

**ISpyCy** · 09-24-2012, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Janny

Somewhere Ed Hochuli is doing curls and smiling

Before or after giving the mother of all facepalms?

**3TrueFans** · 09-24-2012, 11:16 PM

I think when the players hit ground they both had two hands on the ball, does that make it simultaneous? I don't know. In the land of 3TrueFans I think it should because I think of possession not occurring until you're on the ground in bounds.

**BigGame** · 09-24-2012, 11:16 PM

One thing that bothers me about the majority of the conversation is that it isn't just the calls at the end of games that can "cost you a game." The game will play out completely differently if holding, pass interference, etc... is called correctly the entire game. And frankly, I think there are about a dozen games or more where officiating drastically changed the outcome of the game. Home teams are even getting an extra half point in Vegas because the refs are so easily swayed. Roger Goodell should be embarrassed about this black eye on the sport and the league. He represents the owners, and so it's ultimately his responsiblity. Keep in mind, the league locked out the referees. They could be working right now, while they continue negotiations. The referees aren't on strike.

**Hawkeye11en1** · 09-24-2012, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by 3TrueFans

I think when the players hit ground they both had two hands on the ball, does that make it simultaneous? I don't know. In the land of 3TrueFans I think it should because I think of possession not occurring until you're on the ground in bounds.

Read above

**cyclonez7** · 09-24-2012, 11:17 PM

Don't blame the replacement officials. Blame the commissioner, Roger Goodell.

**3TrueFans** · 09-24-2012, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by Hawkeye11en1

There - they just said it. You don't need POSSESSION. You need CONTROL. Jennings had control over it long before Tate. AND had a ton more of it. AND had his body on it.

What's the unit of measurement for Control and how many more of them did Jennings have compared to Tate?

**3TrueFans** · 09-24-2012, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Hawkeye11en1

Read above

The thing about control?

**Rabbuk** · 09-24-2012, 11:18 PM

Hate the packers, but this is a travesty.

**Hawkeye11en1** · 09-24-2012, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by 3TrueFans

What's the unit of measurement for Control and how many more of them did Jennings have compared to Tate?

Having the ball in your hands? He had it first. Tate I don't think ever actually had "control" of it. Ever.

**cowgirl836** · 09-24-2012, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by cyclonetrent

I think the Internet might legitimately break tonight with all the irate people after this game...

I'm in WI......and I put a status supporting the Seahawks just for ***** and giggles because I don't really care and I heard a lot of stupid comments about the Bears last week...pretty sure I'm going to get unfriended by a few cheeseheads, lol!

Hey, maybe if the Packers had kept their QB on his feet a little more tonight, they wouldn't have been stuck in a situation depending on the refs. There were enough horrible calls on both sides (including some phantom holding and a questionable first down for Rodgers leading to a TD) that I imagine we'll either see major fines on rebellious teams/coaches this week, or they'll finally do something about the refs.

**Sigmapolis** · 09-24-2012, 11:19 PM

I don't know if the regular refs would have helped here. Why?

-this is a hell of a call either way

-anybody can make an initial mistake from a sub-optimal angle to see Tate's arms on the ball when everybody comes to the ground, no idea that the Packers might have had it cleaner and first

-I'm not even sure what the rules are for governing "possession" versus "simultaneous possession" in these instances

-the replay officials are the NORMAL ones--they're a different union

-this was going to be booth no matter what happened, and the normal replay refs couldn't overturn it

Hence, I think this was going to be a cluster of an ending no matter what happened. I'm pretty sure the standard of four hands on the ball isn't, "That guy just *looked* like he had it more than the other guy somehow."

I don't feel this is an actual black eye to the integrity of the game for the above reasons, but I'm sure this will still giving the pundits something to talk about. The silver lining to this that it will probably bring the regular officials back now, which, despite my feelings it wouldn't have mattered with this one, is a good thing.

**hawkfan2679** · 09-24-2012, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by 3TrueFans

What's the unit of measurement for Control and how many more of them did Jennings have compared to Tate?

Well, Jennings did come down on top of Tate, back to chest with Tate doing nothing more than reaching around trying to tear the ball away. I'll say 4 utils for Jennings, 1 util for Tate...

**3TrueFans** · 09-24-2012, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Hawkeye11en1

Having the ball in your hands? He had it first. Tate I don't think ever actually had "control" of it. Ever.

But why doesn't two hands give someone control?

**MNCYWX** · 09-24-2012, 11:20 PM

Sad thing is... the guys reviewing in the booth are not replacement refs. They are the normal guys!

That said... the replacement refs blew it and have been blowing it all year!

And the NFL is losing credibility. Soon they will start losing fans.

And if I was Ed Hochuli, I would not be smiling at all (as someone stated earlier in the thread) because the game is being ruined...