MNf - WTF

**3TrueFans** · 09-24-2012, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by Hawkeye11en1

When talking about a tie for a catch, it's about control first. To me, Tate never actually had any control of it. Jennings had two hands on it, therefore control. And now it can't be simultaneous.

See post in other thread, I can't admit I'm wrong twice in one night.

**Storkenheimer** · 09-24-2012, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by VeloClone

Whether the call was right or not - and I have to agree whole heartedly with Sigmapolis on this - Jennings made a stupid play. He is at the back of the endzone; tip the ball out the back of the endzone and enjoy your victory. Try to be BMOC and make an interception instead and give Seattle a chance.

Did you see the Titans Lions game yesterday? Trying to knock it down can backfire.

**Doc** · 09-24-2012, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by VeloClone

Whether the call was right or not - and I have to agree whole heartedly with Sigmapolis on this - Jennings made a stupid play. He is at the back of the endzone; tip the ball out the back of the endzone and enjoy your victory. Try to be BMOC and make an interception instead and give Seattle a chance.

How the heck is he supposed to hit it out of the back of the end zone from where he was jumping?

**Mr Janny** · 09-24-2012, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by Wesley

End zone TD play is not reviewable? They however reviewed it anyway and still had it wrong.

possession in that circumstance is not reviewable. they can only review if the ball hit the ground, but not who had it. that determination goes back to the call on the field.

**VeloClone** · 09-24-2012, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by RayShimley

Who even cares about simultaneous possession? The push off on Shields was ridiculous.

Yeah but there was a totally missed PI a couple of plays earlier where the safety totally rolled the TE - you could go on and on - just like in every game, every year, not just with replacement refs.

Frankly I think ESPN is trying to create a circus out of the whole replacement ref thing and John Gruden is obviously head clown. I think those two in the booth tonight were a hell of a lot less professional than any of the refs on the field.

**Wesley** · 09-24-2012, 11:29 PM

I think we could put together a better ref crew than these replacements. Okay, looking for volunteers.

**Jordanj6502** · 09-24-2012, 11:29 PM

Rule 8 Section 1 Article 3 Item 5:

Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players
retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an
opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such
players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.

**RING4CY** · 09-24-2012, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by LindenCy

...you can't do that in the NFL. If there is a change of possession the play is dead on a conversion...

You are correct.

Originally Posted by LindenCy

of course the replacement refs might not know that.

You are correct.

**Doc** · 09-24-2012, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by VeloClone

Yeah but there was a totally missed PI a couple of plays earlier where the safety totally rolled the TE - you could go on and on - just like in every game, every year, not just with replacement refs.

Frankly I think ESPN is trying to create a circus out of the whole replacement ref thing and John Gruden is obviously head clown. I think those two in the booth tonight were a hell of a lot less professional than any of the refs on the field.

Agree completely that ESPN is creating a circus. Their behavior in the booth was horrible and I was about to make an individual post on it until this last play happened and kind of took the spotlight.

**Wesley** · 09-24-2012, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Janny

possession in that circumstance is not reviewable. they can only review if the ball hit the ground, but not who had it. that determination goes back to the call on the field.

This probably will be changed next year.

**SpRiNgLiMe** · 09-24-2012, 11:30 PM

Item 5: Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.

**bawbie** · 09-24-2012, 11:31 PM

I actually agree with the last call. But not calling the push-off was bad. The two calls that cost GB the most were the phantom roughing the passer on Wilson that took away the INT and the phantom pass interference on 1st and 30. Both of those were absolutely HORRID calls.

Watching the game last night and the one tonight, there had to be around 40 totally penalties accepted in the two games, and I think that's not necessarily because the refs are calling everything, but that the players have no idea what will or won't be called, so they are playing rougher to try to get away with things.