Hawkeye11en1 with your interpretation of rules, what did you think of this play?

[CYcoFan]

Joshua Cribbs Knocked Out of Browns vs. Ravens Game (VIDEO) - Dawgs By Nature


Hawkeye11en1 - Do you think a no call was the proper call? Or what should the call have been, according to you since you have the rule book down inside and out?

[Hawkeye11en1]

No call, brah. He isn't defenseless, he is a ball carrier. Brah.

[clone319]

This is going to end well.

[CYcoFan]

No call, brah. He isn't defenseless, he is a ball carrier. Brah.

What makes him a ball carrier, as opposed to a Rec who catches a pass and is defenseless even if he has established possession.


EDIT - and a ball carrier can still get a helmet to helmet penalty, etc. What makes this different

[Hawkeye11en1]

What makes him a ball carrier, as opposed to a Rec who catches a pass and is defenseless even if he has established possession.

A rec that catches a pass and makes a move is no different than a ball carrier. A rec that doesn't have a chance to make a move to protect themselves or has not completed possession is defenseless. If they have completed possession, by the rule of "possession", you shouldn't call defenseless rec.

[CYcoFan]

A rec that catches a pass and makes a move is no different than a ball carrier. A rec that doesn't have a chance to make a move to protect themselves or has not completed possession is defenseless. If they have completed possession, by the rule of "possession", you shouldn't call defenseless rec.

The rules just added last year, made a rec that catches a pass still defines as defenseless gaining outrage by defense.

Also answer what made him as a ball carrier not subject to the helmet to helmet hit

[Jordanj6502]

What makes him a ball carrier, as opposed to a Rec who catches a pass and is defenseless even if he has established possession.

The rules just added last year, made a rec that catches a pass still defines as defenseless gaining outrage by defense.

Also answer what made him as a ball carrier not subject to the helmet to helmet hit

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NFL Communications - Definition of a Defenseless Player «

You will notice that a kick or punt returner would fall under the "(4) A kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air;" clause. And Cribbs was not "attempting to field a kick in the air" at the time of the hit.

[Hawkeye11en1]

The rules just added last year, made a rec that catches a pass still defines as defenseless gaining outrage by defense.

Also answer what made him as a ball carrier not subject to the helmet to helmet hit

I saw elbow to helmet, as he falls to the ground. Something that happens nearly every play.

As far as your first sentence, what is outrage?

[Hawkeye11en1]

Let cycofan fail again, it's quite fun.

[longtimeclone]

Is the PM function broken or is ellen holding office hours now?

[CYcoFan]

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NFL Communications - Definition of a Defenseless Player «

You will notice that a kick or punt returner would fall under the "(4) A kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air;" clause. And Cribbs was not "attempting to field a kick in the air" at the time of the hit.

Thank you Not Hawkeye11en1 this describes why the rec who catches a pass could still be a defenseless player.


However. A helmet to helmet hit can be called on a ball carrier. The exception here is that the player was being tackled. He was not defenseless, nor was it an illegal shot.

This is how I watch every game, by knowing the rules.

[Hawkeye11en1]

Thank you Not Hawkeye11en1 this describes why the rec who catches a pass could still be a defenseless player.


However. A helmet to helmet hit can be called on a ball carrier. The exception here is that the player was being tackled. He was not defenseless, nor was it an illegal shot.

This is how I watch every game, by knowing the rules.

Wait, so you are saying I was wrong and yet I was right?

[Jordanj6502]

Thank you Not Hawkeye11en1 this describes why the rec who catches a pass could still be a defenseless player.


However. A helmet to helmet hit can be called on a ball carrier. The exception here is that the player was being tackled. He was not defenseless, nor was it an illegal shot.

This is how I watch every game, by knowing the rules.

Wait, what!?

[CYcoFan]

Note the ball carrier was not DOWN, nor was the play over. So spearing or unnecessary roughness are not fouls that apply

[Hawkeye11en1]

Is the PM function broken or is ellen holding office hours now?

I'm here for ya. $5.99/min. Just like those whooores on the phone.