triple crown should mean mvp
triple crown should mean mvp
Trout is a leadoff hitter, so he has no chance to ever win a triple crown. Why does that penalize him? He led the league in runs and stolen bases. I have no doubt that if he batted third and not leadoff he could make a legit run at a triple crown... Oh, and there's that whole thing about him being the best defensive outfielder in all of baseball...
For me, Trout. On offensive production I give Miguel Cabrera but he was poor at 1B and is a hack at 3rd. Trout, meanwhile, plays a premium defensive position and plays it very very well.
I'm betting Cabrera wins it though. Triple crown will win the votes of some of the traditionalists. Offensive production tends to be overvalued as well. Finally, as has been mentioned already, playoffs vs not.
I think Trout should win it but Cabrera will win it
Cabrera wins the triple crown on a playoff team............he should win in landslide.
Trout will win rookie of the year.
if Miggy doesn't win there's a giant problem in the system
Remember, up until September, many didn't even think that Cabrera was the MVP of his own team and thought that distiction belonged to Austin Jackson...
I'm sure we'll be talking about it on Extra Innings tonight, make sure you tune in! :rolleyes:
Triple Crown winner on a team that won their division and still playing, or young phenom on a team that is done for the season?
I think the voters will find this pretty easy to figure out.
I hate to poo-poo the Triple Crown and Cabrera too much, but:
A) Cabrera had the benefit of playing a good chunk of his games against some absolutely atrocious pitching. The Twins and Indians, especially.
B) Leading in three categories is great, but there are Sabermetric measures that do a better job of capturing a player's value to his team (like Wins Above Replacement, for example). Trout has a leg up for most of them, in addition to superior defense and speed; more tools.
C) Cabrera's numbers (particularly his BA) weren't that great, and winning the Triple Crown has as much to do with other players as it does Cabrera. In the last 40 years, Cabrera's numbers would have garnered the Triple Crown just one other time (2008). I haven't done the research, but I'll bet you that there were plenty of players that could have won the Triple Crown this year ahead of Cabrera if they'd replicated their numbers from past seasons.
D) The emphasis on making the post-season is overrated. As was pointed out in A), the Tigers played the bulk of their games against some pretty atrocious AL Central clubs...and still finished with fewer wins than the Angels. The Tigers making the post-season (barely) has as much to do with playing in a crap division as it does with Cabrera having a great year.
My first reaction was Cabrera, but after reading this article I'm leaning towards Trout.
Where does Miguel Cabrera rank among the Triple Crown seasons? - latimes.com
So, here are how the Triple Crown seasons rank:1. Ted Williams (1942 Boston Red Sox, .356, 36, 137, 216 OPS+)
2. Rogers Hornsby (1925 St. Louis Cardinals, .403, 39, 143, 210 OPS+)
2. Mickey Mantle (1956 New York Yankees, .353, 52, 130, 210 OPS+)
4. Rogers Hornsby (1922 St. Louis Cardinals, .401, 42, 152, 207 OPS+)
5. Lou Gehrig (1934 New York Yankees, .363, 49, 165, 206 OPS+)
6. Ted Williams (1947 Boston Red Sox, .343, 32, 114, 205 OPS+)
7. Jimmie Foxx (1933 Philadelphia Athletics, .356, 48, 163, 201 OPS+)
8. Napoleon Lajoie (1901 Philadelphia Athletics, .426, 14, 125, 198 OPS+)
8. Frank Robinson (1966 Baltimore Orioles, .316, 49, 122, 198 OPS+)
10. Ty Cobb (1909 Detroit Tigers, .377, 9, 107, 193 OPS+)
10. Carl Yastrzemski (1967 Boston Red Sox, .326, 44, 121, 193 OPS+)
12. Joe Medwick (1937 St. Louis Cardinals, .374, 31, 154, 182 OPS+)
13. Chuck Klein (1933 Philadelphia Phillies, .368, 28, 120, 176 OPS+)
14. Miguel Cabrera (2012 Detroit Tigers, .330, 44, 139, 166 OPS+)
So, by this metric, Cabrera had the worst season of any Triple Crown winner. Which is sort of like being the third richest man in the world. Sure, you're not No. 1, but you still have plenty to be happy about.
Anyone else tired of sabermatrics? When I go to a ball game I want to see a guy like Miggy Hit a homerun and drive in 3 RBIs. Triple Crown should = MVP. He is still playing and Trout isn't. Who cares if the Angles won more games? The Tigers have a flag that will read 2012 AL Central Champs. That is the end of the argument.