National love for Sage

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Originally Posted by shildreth

NOt to be the downer here but Sage is not a starter. He may be the best back-up in the NFL but he is not a franchise QB.

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He is a starter, but not a franchise QB. You don't have to be both. The QB play is horrible overall in the NFL. He could easily start somewhere, but isn't the cornerstone of a franchise or anything

What about Atlanta? Is there a team in the NFL more desperate for a QB than Atlanta? It would be nice for Sage to stay in the midwest (Vikings, Bears, Chiefs) I think it is far more likely he could end up with the Falcons, Jets or even back with the Dolphins. I hope not, but it seems more likely.

i dont see him has a dolphin.. from what i remember he didnt get alot of respect there and i dont think he wants to go back

Name the AFC good qbs on this gaggle:

BAL * Kyle Boller http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gifhttp://images.sportsline.com/images/spacer.gifhttp://images.commissioner.com/images/red_cross.gif * Troy Smith http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Steve McNair http://images.commissioner.com/images/red_cross.gif

BUF * Trent Edwards * J.P. Losman * Gibran Hamdan

CIN Carson Palmer http://images.commissioner.com/image...ote-recent.gif * Ryan Fitzpatrick * Jeff Rowe

CLE Derek Anderson http://images.commissioner.com/image...ote-recent.gif * Brady Quinn http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Ken Dorsey

DEN Jay Cutler http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Patrick Ramsey * Darrell Hackney

HOU * Sage Rosenfels http://images.commissioner.com/image...ote-recent.gif * Matt Schaub http://images.commissioner.com/image...ote-recent.gifhttp://images.sportsline.com/images/spacer.gifhttp://images.commissioner.com/images/red_cross.gif * Shane Boyd

IND Peyton Manning http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Jim Sorgi

JAC David Garrard http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note-hot.gif * Quinn Gray

KC * Brodie Croyle http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Damon Huard http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Tyler Thigpen

MIA * Cleo Lemon http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * John Beck * Trent Green

http://images.commissioner.com/images/red_cross.gifNE Tom Brady http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Matt Cassel * Matt Gutierrez

NYJ * Kellen Clemens http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gifhttp://images.sportsline.com/images/spacer.gifhttp://images.commissioner.com/images/red_cross.gif * Chad Pennington http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Brad Smith http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif
* Marques Tuiasosopo

OAK * Josh McCown http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * JaMarcus Russell http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Daunte Culpepper http://images.commissioner.com/images/red_cross.gif
* Andrew Walter

PIT Ben Roethlisberger http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Charlie Batch * Brian St. Pierre

SD Philip Rivers http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Billy Volek http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Charlie Whitehurst

TEN Vince Young http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Kerry Collins http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif

Now Name the NFC good qbs:

ARI Kurt Warner * Tim Rattay * Tim Hasselbeck
* Matt Leinart http://images.commissioner.com/images/red_cross.gif

ATL * Chris Redman http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Joey Harrington http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Byron Leftwich
* D.J. Shockley http://images.commissioner.com/images/red_cross.gif
* Michael Vick http://images.commissioner.com/image.../suspended.gif

CAR * Matt Moore http://images.commissioner.com/image...ote-recent.gif * Vinny Testaverde http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gifhttp://images.sportsline.com/images/spacer.gifhttp://images.commissioner.com/images/red_cross.gif * David Carr
* Jake Delhomme http://images.commissioner.com/images/red_cross.gif

CHI * Kyle Orton http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Brian Griese http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Rex Grossman http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gifhttp://images.sportsline.com/images/spacer.gifhttp://images.commissioner.com/images/red_cross.gif

DAL Tony Romo http://images.commissioner.com/image...ote-recent.gifhttp://images.sportsline.com/images/spacer.gifhttp://images.commissioner.com/images/red_cross.gif * Brad Johnson http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif

DET Jon Kitna http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * J.T. O'Sullivan http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Dan Orlovsky
* Drew Stanton http://images.commissioner.com/images/red_cross.gif

GB Brett Favre http://images.commissioner.com/image...ote-recent.gif * Aaron Rodgers * Craig Nall http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif

MIN * Tarvaris Jackson http://images.commissioner.com/image...-note-cold.gif * Brooks Bollinger http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Kelly Holcomb http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif

NO Drew Brees http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note-hot.gif * Jamie Martin

NYG Eli Manning http://images.commissioner.com/image...-note-cold.gif * Jared Lorenzen * Anthony Wright http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif

PHI Donovan McNabb http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * A.J. Feeley http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Kevin Kolb

SEA Matt Hasselbeck * Seneca Wallace * Charlie Frye

SF * Shaun Hill http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Chris Weinke * Trent Dilfer http://images.commissioner.com/images/red_cross.gif
* Alex Smith http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gifhttp://images.sportsline.com/images/spacer.gifhttp://images.commissioner.com/images/red_cross.gif

STL Marc Bulger http://images.commissioner.com/image...ote-recent.gif * Gus Frerotte http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Brock Berlin
* Todd Bouman

TB Jeff Garcia http://images.commissioner.com/image...-note-cold.gif * Luke McCown http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Bruce Gradkowski http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif
* Chris Simms http://images.commissioner.com/images/red_cross.gif
* Jake Plummer

WAS * Todd Collins http://images.commissioner.com/image...-note-cold.gif * Mark Brunell http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gif * Jason Campbell http://images.commissioner.com/images/news-note.gifhttp://images.sportsline.com/images/spacer.gifhttp://images.commissioner.com/images/red_cross.gif

k teams from this that need QB

Bal
KC
Miami
NYJ
Oak (dont know about russell yet)
Atl
Car.
Chi
Det (eventually.. kitna is not goin to last)
Min (iffy on Jackson but i think they will stick with him)
Phi (if they get rid of McNabb)
SF

thats what i came up with

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Originally Posted by LindenCy

He is a starter, but not a franchise QB. You don't have to be both. The QB play is horrible overall in the NFL. He could easily start somewhere, but isn't the cornerstone of a franchise or anything

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I totally agree. I suggest everyone go watch the games Sage has started in. He has the talent to start in the NFL. He has led some incredible 4th quarter comebacks, and manages the team very well throughout the game. He's not Brett Favre money, but he's certainly underpaid.

I'm a Bears fan and for the good of Sage's career I hope he doesn't get traded to the Bears. The O has way too many question marks and will (hopefully) begin a major rebuilding process this off season. To make matters worse, the D and the cover 2 is also on the decline. Right now, I'm not sure Peyton Manning or Tom Brady would do much better than Orton did Monday night given the lack of running game, sudden decline of the O line and receivers that can't catch a cold. If it wern't for Hester, the Bears would have more like two or three wins tops.

I'd like to see Sage either stay with the Texans for another year and then get traded to a team to compete for a starting spot or get traded to Car or Bal this offseason.

I also would love to see him on the Bears so I could watch him, but for his own good and the good enjoying him playing, I don't think it would be a great match. If he comes here and starts, I won't complain either. :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by bandit

If it weren't for Hester, the Bears would have more like two or three wins tops.

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My brother is a Bears fan - his theory?

Lineup 10 lineman on offense and long snap it to Hester.

Hester Right / Hester Left would be the play calls.:cool:

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Originally Posted by clones_jer

My brother is a Bears fan - his theory?

Lineup 10 lineman on offense and long snap it to Hester.

Hester Right / Hester Left would be the play calls.:cool:

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While that's an interesting idea, the reason why it would not work is because kick coverage is spread out about 25-50 yards downfield. Defenses are spread out over 10-20 yards. Hester has shown he can beat out kick coverages where two defenders make it downfield and the rest are spread back 25-50 yards, but if a kicker gets incredible hangtime on a kick and 4-5 defenders are within 5-10 yards of him he has no chance of doing much with it. That's why offensive sets featuring Hester would not work.

So after watching MNF the other night and listening to the announcers, I can't stop comparing Hester to Reggie Bush when he was at USC. Just one of those guys you want to have on the field.

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Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

While that's an interesting idea, the reason why it would not work is because kick coverage is spread out about 25-50 yards downfield. Defenses are spread out over 10-20 yards. Hester has shown he can beat out kick coverages where two defenders make it downfield and the rest are spread back 25-50 yards, but if a kicker gets incredible hangtime on a kick and 4-5 defenders are within 5-10 yards of him he has no chance of doing much with it. That's why offensive sets featuring Hester would not work.

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Nice to meet you Buzz Killington.

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Meekus: Uh, earth to Brint, I was making a joke.
Brint: Uh, Earth to Meekus, duh, okay I knew that!
Meekus: Uh earth to Brint, I'm not so sure you did cuz you were all 'well I'm sure he's heard of styling gel' like you DIDN'T know it was a joke!
Brint: I knew it was a joke Meekus, I just didn't get it right away!
Meekus: Earth to Brint...

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Originally Posted by clones_jer

Nice to meet you Buzz Killington.

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Brint: Or the way Hansel combs his hair?
Meekus: Or like, doesn't, it's like, ex-squeeze me, but have you ever heard of styling gel?
Brint: I'm sure Hansel's heard of styling gel, he's a male model.
Meekus: Uh, earth to Brint, I was making a joke.
Brint: Uh, Earth to Meekus, duh, okay I knew that!
Meekus: Uh earth to Brint, I'm not so sure you did cuz you were all 'well I'm sure he's heard of styling gel' like you DIDN'T know it was a joke!
Brint: I knew it was a joke Meekus, I just didn't get it right away!
Meekus: Earth to Brint...

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Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

While that's an interesting idea, the reason why it would not work is because kick coverage is spread out about 25-50 yards downfield. Defenses are spread out over 10-20 yards. Hester has shown he can beat out kick coverages where two defenders make it downfield and the rest are spread back 25-50 yards, but if a kicker gets incredible hangtime on a kick and 4-5 defenders are within 5-10 yards of him he has no chance of doing much with it. That's why offensive sets featuring Hester would not work.

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Kickoffs? Heck, do it on EVERY play.
Hester is the new Jordka...Jordkaster. The only thing that can stop Jordkaster is Hurricane Ditka :wink: