Bad Pro Sports Teams

[Wesley]

The Braves are a great franchise but they have terrible fans. They don't even sell out games during the playoffs.

The third fish team after the Rays and Dolphins are the Florida Marlins. They are elite. 5,000 per game. Des Moines could do better than that for baseball.

[cybsball20]

The third fish tem after the Rays and Dolphins are the Florida Marlins. They are elite. 5,000 per game. Des Moines could do better than that for baseball.

Having the Marlins play at Dolphin stadium is like having the I-Cubs play in Adair. The stadium is out in the middle of nowhere. It works for football because it's once a week and 8 times a year, but you can't expect people to drive an hour 82 times a year. IF they ever get a stadium IN Miami they will do much better in attendance.

[balken]

No, the MLB has the strongest union of any of the leagues. They have guaranteed contracts and a solid pension program and take care of their players. The NFL flat out takes advantage of it's players. Sure there are some out there that get paid well. But there are others that are cut due to injury, then never receive the treatment necessary to make it back. Why waste money rehabbing a guy when you can sign another off the street.

There is no doubt that MLB has the strongest union and Don Fehr is relentless in maintaining that status. However, Selig and company can't get out of their own way. From payroll issues to steroids they are never in front of an issue.

[Jables22]

Speaking of the Knicks..... I enjoy reading Bill Simmons (@ ESPN.com) constantly ripping Isiah and the way he has destroyed the what is supposed to be the NBA's flagship. Here's one of my favorites, his " First Annual Atrocious GM Summit from back in Nov. 2006:

ESPN.com: Page 2 : First-annual Atrocious GM Summit

Thomas: And that's one of the reasons I wanted to work for the Knicks. When I screwed up in Toronto, nobody cared. When I ran the CBA into the ground, nobody cared. When I coached the Pacers and lost a series to Boston in which we had 10 of the best 12 players, nobody cared. In New York, they care. Right now, I'm working on a trade with Orlando where we give up Penny Hardaway's expiring deal and Trevor Ariza for Steve Francis. It's an illogical trade in every respect -- Francis' contract is terrible, there's no way he'll mesh with the other guys, he's never won anything, he gives us the same problems that Marbury gives us, it's a disaster right out of the gate. And that's what makes it so great. When we pull this trade off, New York fans might actually riot. I'm not kidding.

Kupchak: Sure, Isiah, rub it in.

(Everyone laughs.)

Simmons: Isiah, don't you think you're almost too obvious at this point? At least we could see both sides with some of Mitch's moves. In your case …

(Editor's note: Over the next 30 minutes, Simmons proceeded to list all of Isiah's terrible decisions since he took over the team in December 2003, in chronological order, as the crowd voraciously applauded each move, almost like how the president gets applauded over and over again during the State of the Union address. For space reasons, we're skipping to the tail end of Simmons' question.)

Thanks to all of those moves, the Knicks have more untradable contracts than everyone else in the league combined; they won't be under the cap until 2009; they have a payroll that's $50 million higher than anyone else; and they won't have a high lottery pick until 2008 because of the Curry trade. So how can you sell this as a rebuilding effort when you don't have any picks, and how can you sell this as a move to contend when none of the current guys could possibly mesh?

Isiah: That's an excellent question. The key is to make people believe you're trying something that's never been done before. In my case, I always try to acquire the best guy in the trade, regardless of whether it's a good deal or not -- then I can say I'm "stockpiling assets," which throws people off the trail a little bit. Then, I like to float big names to reporters … like right now, I'm making it seem like KG is a possibility for us, and that's why I'm gathering all of these assets. But I don't have a chance in hell of getting KG. If Minnesota trades KG, it's going to be for cap space, picks and young players, and we can't give them two of those three things. So they would never deal with us ---.

McHale: I wouldn't be so sure about that!

Isiah: Really?

[Wesley]

You can Trust Isiah with your team because he is the man with a dream - to win the NBA title in 2017.

[cyputz]

How can anybody overlook the Detroit Lions?

I agree, I have been a Lion fans for many years, and they are bad, their management is worse.

My daughter and son-in-law got two tix for my Christmas gift to the Vikings/Lion game. 50 yrd line 12 row, had a fantastic time with my son-in-law, and got to watch Peterson clean house on the Lions, but they are bad.

[drmwevr08]

Some Fish teams just plain smell like fish.

I would take a Ray over a Dolphin at this point for ability to win.

Yet the Phillies are the first to lose 10,000 times.

Thats because they have been playing since 1402... The franchise is not a bad one. Cy Young has more losses than anyone too :)

Its mostly ownership and competative balance in baseball isn't too great. As an Oriole fan I know that the owner stinks but having to compete with NY and Boston is a huge bummer...

[clone52]

Worst offender:



This team was bad BEFORE they opened their new stadium. Now that the owner has his new stadium and is making $$$ hand over fist, even with last place teams, the guy has no motivation whatsoever to spend a dime to improve his ball club. I fear, with Pohlad at the helm, that this is the direction that the Twins could go after their new ballpark opens, and I'll not be happy...

Give Pohlad some credit. He's shown that he'll spend the money he makes on the Twins. He just won't overspend and lose money on it.

[BryceC]

If baseball is ever going to get my interest back, they need to install a salary cap. I honestly try to avoid watching baseball in any capacity just out of principal, but my wife loves it so I end up seeing some every summer. Every year I tell myself I'm going to start giving a crap about the Royals. I'm going to follow the team. It lasts about a week.

[bjwitt]

they kind of do have a salary cap just the teams have to pay luxury tax if they go over and for big market teams they would rather pay the tax

[cygrads]

How can anybody overlook the Detroit Lions?

Amen brother!

[CYdTracked]

You can Trust Isiah with your team because he is the man with a dream - to win the NBA title in 2017.

Maybe Carl Peterson can hire him to be the next Chiefs coach when they toss Herm to the curb. Afterall, Carl's vision is going on 20 years now and the Chiefs still aren't going anywhere.

[TxCycloneFan]

Pedro was a Dodger before ever becoming an Expo...

Pedro's brother Ramon was a Dodger. I saw him pitch in Atlanta many years ago. I don't remember Pedro playing for LA.

[bjwitt]

Pedro's brother Ramon was a Dodger. I saw him pitch in Atlanta many years ago. I don't remember Pedro playing for LA.

PEDRO PLAYED FOR LA WHEN HE FIRST PITCHED I THINK, I MIGHT HAVE A ROOKIE CARD FOR LA

[bjwitt]

SEASON TEAM W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR HBP BB SO
1992 Los Angeles Dodgers 0 1 2.25 2 1 0 0 0 --- 8.0 6 2 2 0 0 1 8
1993 Los Angeles Dodgers 10 5 2.61 65 2 0 0 2 --- 107.0 76 34 31 5 4 57 119
1994 Montreal Expos 11 5 3.42 24 23 1 1 1 --- 144.2 115 58 55 11 11 45 142
1995 Montreal Expos 14 10 3.51 30 30 2 2 0 --- 194.2 158 79 76 21 11 66 174
1996 Montreal Expos 13 10 3.70 33 33 4 1 0 --- 216.2 189 100 89 19 3 70 222
1997 Montreal Expos 17 8 1.90 31 31 13 4 0 --- 241.1 158 65 51 16 9 67 305
1998 Boston Red Sox 19 7 2.89 33 33 3 2 0 --- 233.2 188 82 75 26 8 67 251
1999 Boston Red Sox 23 4 2.07 31 29 5 1 0 0 213.1 160 56 49 9 9 37 313
2000 Boston Red Sox 18 6 1.74 29 29 7 4 0 0 217.0 128 44 42 17 14 32 284
2001 Boston Red Sox 7 3 2.39 18 18 1 0 0 0 116.2 84 33 31 5 6 25 163
2002 Boston Red Sox 20 4 2.26 30 30 2 0 0 0 199.1 144 62 50 13 15 40 239
2003 Boston Red Sox 14 4 2.22 29 29 3 0 0 0 186.2 147 52 46 7 9 47 206
2004 Boston Red Sox 16 9 3.90 33 33 1 1 0 0 217.0 193 99 94 26 16 61 227
2005 New York Mets 15 8 2.82 31 31 4 1 0 0 217.0 159 69 68 19 4 47 208
2006 New York Mets 9 8 4.48 23 23 0 0 0 0 132.2 108 72 66 19 10 39 137
2007 New York Mets 3 1 2.57 5 5 0 0 0 0 28.0 33 11 8 0 2 7 32

Career Totals 209 93 2.80 447 380 46 17 3 --- 2673.2 2046 918 833 213 131 708 3030