Spygate II - Kurt Warner wants answers

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Originally Posted by Stormin

The same people calling for Barry Bonds' head on a platter should demand the same of Bellicheck and the Patriots. Cheating is cheating. In fact Bellicheck and the Patriots improprieties is even worse. They were caught cheating in Game 1. Should have been a forfeit and Bellicheck suspended for at least a year or more. Put some teeth in it. These guys have bent the rules for a long time.

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If you want to compare the Patriots to Bonds that's fine. But you have to play it both ways then. If you want to suspend Belicheck then why wasn't Bonds suspended? For that matter, shouldn't all the games he played in been ruled forfeits for the team he played for? After all he cheated didn't he?

Also I don't agree with your cheating is cheating statement. Does that mean someone who copies an answer off a HW assignment should get the same punishment as someone who plagiarizes a major researchpaper? Should you expel a student for copying a 2 pt HW question? The difference between taking tons of steroids to enhance you performance vs taping signals is pretty wide. Even if you know the blitz is coming, the receivers still have to get open and you still have to make the throw.

My feeling on this entire mess is that history will always remember the patriots as the only perfect team with a blemished record. Look at what they've managed to do this year. Even with all the distractions, with teams gunning for them they keep on beating opponents.

IMO, spygate is a media driven crock of crap.

They "cheated" because they filmed the other team from the field instead of from the designated video-taping area.

The Entire New England run has been tainted

Bel a Cheat had 5 losing seasons in his first 6 years. Then he found Brady and Cheating?

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Originally Posted by ajk4st8

Why the heck tape it then? If its not a big deal to tape things, they shouldnt mind when people talk about it all the time.

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Who knows but if media had their cameras their then they allowed. Most other teams won't say their cheating because they don't have ******* like Mangini.

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Originally Posted by troyrew

The Entire New England run has been tainted

Bel a Cheat had 5 losing seasons in his first 6 years. Then he found Brady and Cheating?

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Lol. You are so blind

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Originally Posted by klerme

The problem with that theory is that, if you watch the replay of the Super Bowl, the first red zone series the Rams had almost ended with a 4th down fumble by Warner that NE returned for a TD - luckily the officials called a defensive holding when McGinest tackled Faulk as he was going out on his pattern. However, it is almost as if they knew the plays being run from the formations used - as Warner mentions, the TD came on a QB sneak that would not have been part of the package.

As someone said, if nothing happens at a walk through, why would you tape it?

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As someone said, if something does happen at a walk through, why would you let media in during it? :biggrin:

The NFL is set up to have a tremendous amount of parity between teams. This is not like MLB where one team may be spending $250 million on payroll and the other is only spending $35 million.

In a league where that is the case, these "small issues" of cheating can be the slight difference between winning in losing...in both the regular season as well as the playoffs. Frankly, I believe the Patriots should have a cloud of suspicion hanging over their heads.

With the situation this year, the Patriots were specifically told behind closed doors (the NFL is masterful at keeping its "dirty laundry" private) to stop taping the opponents sidelines and they chose to keep doing it. Now, you may not want to think they got any benefits from these tapes but someone with the Patriots certainly felt it was important enough to ignore the leagues "cease and desist" order. The league fined the coach $500,000, the owner $250,000 and took away their first round draft choice...so the league certainly felt it was a big problem.

Belichick is a very driven guy and I would not be surprised at all if this (and other things) have been going on for some time to try and gain an unfair advantage. I can assure you that he is a "win at any and all costs" type of guy and that would include stretching and/or breaking the rules.