Santo up for the hall again

**Clonegrad07** · 09-16-2008, 02:01 PM

ESPN - Veterans Committee reveals 10 candidates on Hall of Fame ballot - MLB

No reason he's not in it... along with Gil Hodges for that matter. Ron Santo is one of the greatest players in Cubs history... is a hall-of-famer no matter what happens here.

**joefrog** · 09-16-2008, 02:04 PM

While I really like Ron Santo, it is the Hall of Fame. Not the hall of pretty good guys. I just don't think his stats justify him making it. I have looked several times before and thought, sure, nice career, but Hall of Fame? Really?

As a person, Santo of course is a HOF'r. Great guy, real good broadcaster. I am one of those guys that thinks HOF'rs should be only the truly elite players. I don't think Ron was ever one of those.

**Lenny25** · 09-16-2008, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by joefrog

While I really like Ron Santo, it is the Hall of Fame. Not the hall of pretty good guys. I just don't think his stats justify him making it. I have looked several times before and thought, sure, nice career, but Hall of Fame? Really?

As a person, Santo of course is a HOF'r. Great guy, real good broadcaster. I am one of those guys that thinks HOF'rs should be only the truly elite players. I don't think Ron was ever one of those.

Go compare his stats with Brooks Robinson. You may change your tune.

**Aclone** · 09-16-2008, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Lenny25

Go compare his stats with Brooks Robinson. You may change your tune.

In the case of some players, don;t they mix in little things like, say...World Series appearances and such?

**Lenny25** · 09-16-2008, 02:14 PM

Lot's of Hall of Famers never made it to the World Series.

**Clonegrad07** · 09-16-2008, 02:14 PM

In the era that he played in, he was a truely elite player. By far and above. I also believe they should be elite players and the best players from each team in each decade should not make it. But the best players at one position for over a decade in a league should make it. Ron Santo was the best third baseman while he played in the NL. 9 time all star and 350+ homers

He's a hall of famer, plain and simple

**Clonegrad07** · 09-16-2008, 02:14 PM

ESPN.com: MLB - Hall debates: Ron Santo

**HILLCYD** · 09-16-2008, 02:16 PM

His numbers are pretty good when compared to 3rd basemen in the hall. The guy is a national treasure, both as a player and a broadcaster.

**acrozier22** · 09-16-2008, 02:19 PM

Terrible broadcaster but he should be a HOF third baseman. Best player during his era at his position.

**acrozier22** · 09-16-2008, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Aclone

In the case of some players, don;t they mix in little things like, say...World Series appearances and such?

So playing with diabetes his whole career means nothing? Ernie Banks is in the HOF, how many world series did he play in?

**Clonegrad07** · 09-16-2008, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by acrozier22

Terrible broadcaster but he should be a HOF third baseman. Best player during his era at his position.

NOW WAIT JUST ONE MINUTE... How can you not love his broadcasting too? I mean... anyone who will yell out "oh for the love of god, I can't believe this!" in the middle of a live broadcast is a genius... I laugh everytime he announces.

**Lenny25** · 09-16-2008, 02:23 PM

Ryne Sandberg played in a total of zero world series.

**acrozier22** · 09-16-2008, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Clonegrad07

NOW WAIT JUST ONE MINUTE... How can you not love his broadcasting too? I mean... anyone who will yell out "oh for the love of god, I can't believe this!" in the middle of a live broadcast is a genius... I laugh everytime he announces.

You love him when things go well but I can't stand his whining when things are not going well. Stresses me out!!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXNFiLG550I]YouTube - Baseball great Ron Santo & Diabetes--INCREDIBLE Story[/ame]

**Aclone** · 09-16-2008, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Lenny25

Ryne Sandberg played in a total of zero world series.

I was saying that where stats are borderline HOF material, World Series are an edge. A tiebreaker, if you will.

Odd that playing all those years in Wrigley, Santo's numbers weren't inflated.

Oh wait--they probably were. And are still borderline HOF. Maybe that's what every HOF voter has been seeing all of these years.

**acrozier22** · 09-16-2008, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Aclone

I was saying that where stats are borderline HOF material, World Series are an edge. A tiebreaker, if you will.

Odd that playing all those years in Wrigley, Santo's numbers weren't inflated.

Oh wait--they probably were. And are still borderline HOF. Maybe that's what every HOF voter has been seeing all of these years.

Oh give me a break. Get past your cardinal bias and just look at the stats. Show us some actual literature that says the world series is an edge before you start spewing your cardinal crap.