Misc: Any Ames Bars Going to Have UFC 91

Swanson10 · 11-11-2008, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by JHudd

Like 2-3K right? I was talking to a local bar a while back about it also and they said something about having to pay a per person fee at capacity, even if the bar only had 20 people there they had to pay as if the place would be full.

Yea something like that, possibly higher. And as far as i can tell there arent many bar owners in Ames that r willing to spend just a tad to classy up their joints, so i dont see them throwing this kind of scratch up to make some money.

cycloneman003 · 11-11-2008, 11:19 PM

wow there are to many posts to reply to so i will just do it in one
cybsball20: Frank Mir was his very first MMA fight.. lesnar admits he was way to excited and wasnt thinking when he took Mir down. did you watch the fight? Mir was getting his **** rocked and lesnar made a rookie mistake because he didnt take his time and think through what he was going to do

StormnClone58: how were you not impressed with the win over herring? that was a completely lopsided fight. lesnar dominated from the get go and i dont think herring was ever even able to get a good hit on lesnar. Also, Heath Herring is actually a lot more experienced than randy coture. coture is 16-8 lifetime, a 66.7% win pct, and herring is 28-14 lifetime, also 66.7% win pct. so your argument doesnt really hold much water.

Lenny25: another unintelligent post by you. Lesnar = Kimbo Slice? a joke right? Lesnar has actually defeated a real, experienced MMA fighter, not to mention lesnar is way more athletic than kimbo and lesnar was a national champion wrestler. hes not just some bum from WWE. he was on the vikings team for an entire preseason, surviving on just pure athleticism considering he had never played football. that alone is impressive.

now that i have said all that, i can see coture winning, because if lesnar makes a dumb mistake like he did against Mir it would be over quick, but coture simply cannot stop lesnar if brock comes out and shoot for the takedown right away and then commences with the ground and pound the rest of the way. coture cant take it, and he cant win if its all punching because he is a weak puncher. and the knees that lesnar doles out when he is on the ground are brutal. Lesnar has an inch of height and 45 lbs on coture, so if it goes to the ground there is no way brock is letting coture get up.

cybsball20 · 11-11-2008, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by rooster

Twisted Parrot is sort of the self styled MMA bar watch in Des Moines. A lot of the local area fighters sometimes watch the PPVs there, although Jeremy Stephens is fighting so some of them might be in Vegas to watch live.

Yeah, I normally go to the Parrott if no friends are getting the fight... I was just hoping somewhere in Ames had it so I wouldn't have hurry home...

cybsball20 · 11-11-2008, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneman003

now that i have said all that, i can see coture winning, because if lesnar makes a dumb mistake like he did against Mir it would be over quick, but coture simply cannot stop lesnar if brock comes out and shoot for the takedown right away and then commences with the ground and pound the rest of the way. coture cant take it, and he cant win if its all punching because he is a weak puncher. and the knees that lesnar doles out when he is on the ground are brutal. Lesnar has an inch of height and 45 lbs on coture, so if it goes to the ground there is no way brock is letting coture get up.

Lesnar has more power to his punches but I think Couture has more precision... One good punch is all it takes to get you in a bad spot...

cycloneman003 · 11-11-2008, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by cybsball20

Lesnar has more power to his punches but I think Couture has more precision... One good punch is all it takes to get you in a bad spot...

even a perfectly placed right hand by randy doesnt have a ton of power, in the opening 15 seconds vs herring, lesnar was able to land a right that dropped herring and broke the orbital bone of his skull. thats power.

i guess it also says a lot about herring, fought the entire match with a fractured oribtal bone

cybsball20 · 11-11-2008, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneman003

even a perfectly placed right hand by randy doesnt have a ton of power, in the opening 15 seconds vs herring, lesnar was able to land a right that dropped herring and broke the orbital bone of his skull. thats power.

i guess it also says a lot about herring, fought the entire match with a fractured oribtal bone

Couture did almost the exact same thing against Herring... Well, minus the fracture...

SmokinH2O · 11-12-2008, 12:07 AM

To me the difference is this. Herring, Lesnar, and Mir are all decent fighters each with their own strengths. But NONE of them are in the elite class Coture is. That’s not to say Lesnar doesn’t crush him with some bombs in the 1st 5 min. but the longer it goes the better I think Coture’s chances are. As they say, Lesnar has a swingers chance. I don’t see the longer it goes the better Lesnar’s chances are. How many times have you seen an elite guy get knocked out in round 1 vs. rd 3 when fighting a lesser opponent. Case in point….Serra vs. St. Pierre I or Pulver vs. Luazon. If Lesnar has done his work on the ground for bbj and has his cardio, he’s got a great shot. The experience and situation edge definitely go to Coture. He’s fought giants before and faired well. I really don’t care who wins…..Let’s just GET IT ON! Also, it doesn’t matter what I think or how they look on paper…..that’s why they fight.

rooster · 11-12-2008, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by cycloneman003

wow there are to many posts to reply to so i will just do it in one
cybsball20: Frank Mir was his very first MMA fight.. lesnar admits he was way to excited and wasnt thinking when he took Mir down.

Mir was Lesnar's first UFC fight not his first MMA fight. His first fight was a K1 Heroes Dynamite show in the US that was supposed to be against Hong Man Choi but the CSAC wouldnt clear Choi to fight because of a tumor on his glands which caused his freakishly large size. So Min Soo Kim subbed in and was thrashed by Brock. So it wasnt his first fight but since it was his 2nd I think your point is still valid

did you watch the fight? Mir was getting his **** rocked and lesnar made a rookie mistake because he didnt take his time and think through what he was going to do

So a Brazillian Jiu Jitsu black belt was getting **** *** rocked on the ground? That's usually what they gameplan for. Get taken down, lock up their guard and wait for an arm or leg or neck to be exposed for a second and isolate it. Mir was and still is a very bad matchup for Brock.

StormnClone58: how were you not impressed with the win over herring? that was a completely lopsided fight. lesnar dominated from the get go and i dont think herring was ever even able to get a good hit on lesnar.

Lesnar did dominate but all he did was basically hold Herring down and punch away with arm. It was effective and won him an easy decision but it would have been nice to see him try for a submission somewhere along the line. Heath was turtled for most of the fight and Brock never once attempted to take his back. Was a solid win but it didnt show much diversity in his game which will be a problem if he wants to develop an overall game.

Also, Heath Herring is actually a lot more experienced than randy coture. coture is 16-8 lifetime, a 66.7% win pct, and herring is 28-14 lifetime, also 66.7% win pct. so your argument doesnt really hold much water.

I agree with you here, Herring has fought all over the world and against some of the very best, but he's fought most of his major shows in Japan in a ring. Randy is probably the most comfortable fighter in the octagon in the world.

now that i have said all that, i can see coture winning, because if lesnar makes a dumb mistake like he did against Mir it would be over quick, but coture simply cannot stop lesnar if brock comes out and shoot for the takedown right away and then commences with the ground and pound the rest of the way. coture cant take it, and he cant win if its all punching because he is a weak puncher. and the knees that lesnar doles out when he is on the ground are brutal. Lesnar has an inch of height and 45 lbs on coture, so if it goes to the ground there is no way brock is letting coture get up.

Anyone can get a flash knock out but Randy is far better on the feet than Brock. Brock probably hits hard but Randy has a way more diverse striking game. He's been doing it for over 10 years now, while Brock is a novice. If Brock's smart he will try to take it to the ground early.

Also Brock is a former national champion wrestler but don't forget Randy is a multiple time US Olympic Wrestling team alternate. And Greco Roman Wrestling translates much better to MMA than Collegiate style.

cycloneman003 · 11-12-2008, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by rooster

Anyone can get a flash knock out but Randy is far better on the feet than Brock. Brock probably hits hard but Randy has a way more diverse striking game. He's been doing it for over 10 years now, while Brock is a novice. If Brock's smart he will try to take it to the ground early.

Also Brock is a former national champion wrestler but don't forget Randy is a multiple time US Olympic Wrestling team alternate. And Greco Roman Wrestling translates much better to MMA than Collegiate style.

Well all im saying is this could be a very quick fight going either way. Brock could slip up and randy could get a submission, but lesnar is going to go for the takedown right away, and with his insane punching power he can knock the lights out of anyone

SmokinH2O · 11-12-2008, 08:07 AM

WooooHooooo. The testosteron is flowing. Let's all put on our Ed Hardy shirts, go flex, and beat each other up as wanna-b-UFC fighters.

redrocker · 11-12-2008, 08:58 AM

Have to ask Scott34 if the fights are going to be at West Cy'd. It was still up int he air last I talked to him about it. They have not had the fights there for awhile. Costs alot of money to have the fight.

SmokinH2O · 11-12-2008, 11:00 AM

Hmmmm I think Kimbo vs. Lesnar would be a good fight.

cycloneman003 · 11-13-2008, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by SmokinH2O

Hmmmm I think Kimbo vs. Lesnar would be a good fight.

hahaha... it would be great to see Kimbo get worked!

keepngoal · 11-13-2008, 08:59 PM

soooooooooooo, do we know if a bar in Ames will have the fight?

-keep

huskerman · 11-14-2008, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by Swanson10

Yea something like that, possibly higher. And as far as i can tell there arent many bar owners in Ames that r willing to spend just a tad to classy up their joints, so i dont see them throwing this kind of scratch up to make some money.

The fights cost about $900 to show in an establishment that holds 135 people. i have already talked to the owner at westcyde wings and he will not be showing it because not enough people have shown interest and he said he was losing money not charging a gate fee.......and he is scared that no one will come in if he charges even $5-$10. on top of that since the football game is a night game he is worried that no one will want to come in after the game.

If lots and lots of people call him you might have a chance, but that is the only chance i would say.

Lesnar will win, most likely by decision or knock out. Randys only chance is a submission imo and he is not known for his submissions. if i had to guess based on age and ability and watching recent fights from both of them i would say that Lesnar knocks him out in the third round.