Santo seeks long-awaited Hall berth

**Irresponsible** · 12-08-2008, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by leg4cy

I agree, but I'd like to know of a more objective way of measuring a player's defensive value. Having someone just claim that Joe Blow was head and shoulders above John Doe defensively isn't very concrete. And, let's face it, baseball is a game of numbers.

There is a metric available, but even the Gold Glove balloters are too lazy to look at it (or they don't place any value in it). Bill James and his crew of statistical gurus developed it. Check out this link for more info:
Fielding Bible

**mwitt** · 12-08-2008, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by CloneFan65

16 gold gloves for Brooks to 5 gold gloves for Santo.

Also Brooks had an AL MVP and Santo never finished higher than 4th in MVP voting. And Brooks had nearly 600 more hits. Santo had a good career, but not a HOF career.

He had more hits because he had 2500 more at bats than Santo. Santo was a better offensive player than Robinson, and there's no debating that.

**mwitt** · 12-08-2008, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by Irresponsible

There is a metric available, but even the Gold Glove balloters are too lazy to look at it (or they don't place any value in it). Bill James and his crew of statistical gurus developed it. Check out this link for more info:
Fielding Bible

Fielding Bible is a great site. I'm looking forward to them posting the 2008 numbers.

**leg4cy** · 12-08-2008, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Irresponsible

There is a metric available, but even the Gold Glove balloters are too lazy to look at it (or they don't place any value in it). Bill James and his crew of statistical gurus developed it. Check out this link for more info:
Fielding Bible

Thanks for the link. I do remember hearing about James' system. It seems like a valid statistic. It will probably be a cold day in hell before fielding percentage is replaced as the chief evaluation of a player's defensive prowess.

**Clonegrad07** · 12-09-2008, 07:18 PM

I already stated this case and in my opinion, proved that Santo was EVERY BIT the player that Brooks Robinson was. I think Santo played like 6 less seasons and in the seasons that the two did play, Santo's #'s were better. I'll see if I can find the thread that I started a while ago about this.