St. Louis Cards fans...

**Final42b** · 01-23-2009, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by cycopath25

As much as I am an ISU fan STL and ISU are nothing alike. ISU can recruit a small pool of players really. STL can pay money for players. Now there is a thought. What if you could trade college players? haha jk See STL can do things to change their personal midseason/offseason and ISU can't.

Ha ya thats my whole problem with them, sometimes you just have to make a big move. Especially when your manager is basically begging for you to do so...

**Final42b** · 01-23-2009, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by Cy Hard

I think the offense will be fine. Greene was a great add. The guy was an all-star a couple of years ago and is still relatively young. Plus he played in Petco the abyss of a field letting pitchers like Maddox get a few more years. I think his bat will explode this year.

Ya its nice to have a little pop in the middle infield. I wish we signed lopez though and got rid of freakin kennedy, he offers nothing anymore.

**cycopath25** · 01-23-2009, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by Final42b

Ha ya thats my whole problem with them, sometimes you just have to make a big move. Especially when your manager is basically begging for you to do so...

Yeah Tony can do wonders,but developing prospects over the last five years has be getting old.

**Cy Hard** · 01-23-2009, 11:46 PM

Patience has run its course, but 5 years, come on now. We won a World Series just a couple of years ago, didn't we? Like my first post said, this is our year barring serious injury to Carpenter or Wainright. If they stay healthy, we win 90+ games and make a run in the playoffs.

**cycopath25** · 01-23-2009, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by Cy Hard

Patience has run its course, but 5 years, come on now. We won a World Series just a couple of years ago, didn't we? Like my first post said, this is our year barring serious injury to Carpenter or Wainright. If they stay healthy, we win 90+ games and make a run in the playoffs.

Without some sort of move, maybe 2B, SS, 1 more big time OF this will not be our year to do squat. I hope I eat these words later, but I don't think STL can do much with they hand hey have now except maybe slip into the wildcard.

**Final42b** · 01-23-2009, 11:49 PM

Hopefully Lohse can win 15 games next year.

**Final42b** · 01-23-2009, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by cycopath25

Without some sort of move, maybe 2B, SS, 1 more big time OF this will not be our year to do squat. I hope I eat these words later, but I don't think STL can do much with they hand hey have now except maybe slip into the wildcard.

Ya i see us finishing 3rd or 4th in the central, we just dont have enough fire power. Plus we cant count on ludwick to have another huge year like last year.

**Cy Hard** · 01-23-2009, 11:54 PM

I know, I know, don't hope for anything and you can't get hurt. We had a 281 team batting average and a 986 team fielding %. The O and the D are there. If we don't blow 20+ save opportunities last year we're talking about another playoff season.

**cycopath25** · 01-23-2009, 11:59 PM

Friday night drunken Cardinal fans representing tonight. HAHA

**psychlone99** · 01-24-2009, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by Cy Hard

Top heavy???? Even last year the division wasn't won out until September, hell it wasn't even a two team race then. The Cubs, Brewers, and CARDINALS were still in it correct?

I'm talking about the last few years, and keep in mind that the NL Central is the only 6-team division in baseball. Over the past two seasons, the 3rd place team has finished 7 and 11 games back.

By "top heavy" I mean that there are usually no more than 2, sometimes 3, teams that have a legitimate shot at the division going into the season. The Pirates and Reds are insignificant, and the Astros can't seem to put together a full season lately. That leaves the Cubs, Brewers, and Cards, as you mentioned.

This season, I expect the Cubs and Cards to be the top two (given the Brewers lack of pitching). In a 6 team division, I consider that to be top heavy.

**Cy Hard** · 01-24-2009, 12:06 AM

Hey, however it goes down, it's our fun to pass the summer until football starts up again.

**Erik4Cy** · 01-24-2009, 01:25 AM

I don't feel as bad about our rotation (especially if Carpenter can come back fulled rehabilitated) as I do about the middle of the rotation and for god's sakes a steady closer. I don't see our offense having much trouble again, I mean last year scoring runs was no problem and we were 10 games above .500 for 4th place in a rebuliding year in a really tough division. It was also great to get Khalil Greene, Cesar Isturis (ugh) great defender but basically useless with a bat...it was easy to see why the Cubs didn't want him.

**Haverhill** · 01-24-2009, 01:28 AM

Last year was supposed to be an absolute disaster of a season and they finished above .500. This year the expectations are right about where they finished last season, they will once again finish much higher than expectations. We don't buy a lineup, we develop a lineup, and it has always worked fine the way we do it. 10x World Series Championships, most recently 2006.