Cub's Bullpen

**CycloneErik** · 05-16-2009, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by iowajazz

I have never thought Gregg was the answer. I would like to see them put Marmol in the closer spot.

Every time we've given him a chance there, he's been kind of an arsonist, too. I agree that I'd rather see someone other than Gregg there. Acquiring him didn't/doesn't make much sense to me.

**TarHeelHawk** · 05-16-2009, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneErik

Exactly. Heilman really isn't too bad. Gregg tries my nerves, but our closers have been doing that for a long time.

C'mon. Gregg has been more reliable as of late, so I'm willing to to give him a pass today, as sometimes guys just don't have it.

Heilman was bad for the Mets last year, and he's been bad for the Cubs this year. Unless the game is a blowout, he shouldn't be on the mound.

Lou and Jim will have some decisions to make next week when Zambrano comes off the DL.

**CycloneErik** · 05-16-2009, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by TarHeelHawk

C'mon. Gregg has been more reliable as of late, so I'm willing to to give him a pass today, as sometimes guys just don't have it.

Heilman was bad for the Mets last year, and he's been bad for the Cubs this year. Unless the game is a blowout, he shouldn't be on the mound.

Lou and Jim will have some decisions to make next week when Zambrano comes off the DL.

I'm willing to give Gregg a shot. He's out guy. I'm saying that it made me very curious at the time, and I'm still not completely sold. At the same time, we haven't had a closer that made me feel comfortable in quite some time.

I think Heileman has had some nice outings, too. Bullpen guys are confusing headcases sometimes.

**CYdTracked** · 05-16-2009, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by TarHeelHawk

Lou and Jim will have some decisions to make next week when Zambrano comes off the DL.

I'm guessing Wells stays in the rotation and Marshall goes to the pen. Cotts could be DFA, maybe even Patton because everyone else is either too expensive to waive or has locked in a spot.

**TarHeelHawk** · 05-16-2009, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneErik

I'm willing to give Gregg a shot. He's out guy. I'm saying that it made me very curious at the time, and I'm still not completely sold. At the same time, we haven't had a closer that made me feel comfortable in quite some time.

I think Heileman has had some nice outings, too. Bullpen guys are confusing headcases sometimes.

Nothing to do with that, but just found out from Baseball Tonight that all 12 of Ryan Theriot's career homers have come at Wrigley. Weird.

**06Panther** · 05-16-2009, 09:57 PM

People have to remember that if the pitchers in ANY bullpen were really great players, they would be starters. That is why it is tough for every team to put together a good bullpen.

**TarHeelHawk** · 05-16-2009, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by 06Panther

People have to remember that if the pitchers in ANY bullpen were really great players, they would be starters. That is why it is tough for every team to put together a good bullpen.

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John Smoltz

**hurdleisu24** · 05-16-2009, 10:21 PM

If they pitch in bullpen its because they only have 2 really good pitches.
Im still ticked that they traded Olson for Heilman im not sure Olson is a better pitcher but I'd like him as he's LH

**gocubs2118** · 05-17-2009, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by travman23

I'm guessing Wells stays in the rotation and Marshall goes to the pen. Cotts could be DFA, maybe even Patton because everyone else is either too expensive to waive or has locked in a spot.

I think Patton should be the first one to go. As bad as Cotts has been, Patton has been worse and really doesn't have a role on this team. Its kind of ridiculous that he was on the team in the first place. Patton had never been out of A ball with the Rockies. It was way too soon for him to be up in the majors.

**OC Cyclone** · 05-17-2009, 12:11 AM

At least the Cubs have a bullpen...the Angels bullpen is tough for me to watch. Our starter John Lackey literally threw 2 pitches today before he was thrown out and left a full 9 inning game for the bullpen. I don't get why Cubs fans complain about stuff like this. You haven't won a world series for 100 years and it's not gonna happen anytime soon...deal with it!

**CYdTracked** · 05-17-2009, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by OC Cyclone

At least the Cubs have a bullpen...the Angels bullpen is tough for me to watch. Our starter John Lackey literally threw 2 pitches today before he was thrown out and left a full 9 inning game for the bullpen. I don't get why Cubs fans complain about stuff like this. You haven't won a world series for 100 years and it's not gonna happen anytime soon...deal with it!

You might want to rethink that statement after reading this: Lou Piniella rethinking Cubs' bullpen -- chicagotribune.com Cubs statistically have the 2nd worst bullpen in the NL.

**hurdleisu24** · 05-17-2009, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by OC Cyclone

At least the Cubs have a bullpen...the Angels bullpen is tough for me to watch. Our starter John Lackey literally threw 2 pitches today before he was thrown out and left a full 9 inning game for the bullpen. I don't get why Cubs fans complain about stuff like this. You haven't won a world series for 100 years and it's not gonna happen anytime soon...deal with it!

Yeah Lackey did that but really do you think that he's have done something like that and the manager not have a clue that he may do it?