Shaq traded to the Cavs

**jdoggivjc** · 06-25-2009, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by LeBron

The Cavs can beat the Celtics. They took them to seven games two years ago, and they almost won. And that was before they got Mo Williams and Shaq. Williams was an upgrade over Delonte West, and Shaq is an upgrade over Ilgauskas.

Shaq of 10 years ago certainly is an upgrade over Ilgauskas. Shaq of today - not so much.

**heitclone** · 06-25-2009, 12:22 PM

I can't understand why anyone wouldnt think this is a great deal for the Cavs. Shaq has a ONE year contract, this gives them lots of flexibility to make a move in the 2010 FA grab. I don't think this makes the Cavs better than Boston, LA or maybe Orlando next year but its going to allow them to the opportunity to go after a big name following next season, and Lebron will have a ring within 3 years.

**LeBron** · 06-25-2009, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

They can definitely win. I just don't see it. They still need another scoring option before they are a contender IMO

They've been a contender each of the past three years, and they will be this coming year too. They just haven't been able to finish.

**LindenCy** · 06-25-2009, 12:22 PM

Basically what this thread has shown us is that we don't know who will win the East, and that is a good thing.

**Clones85'** · 06-25-2009, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by LeBron

They've been a contender each of the past three years, and they will be this coming year too. They just haven't been able to finish.

Agreed. What we are arguing over is what is going to put them over the top. You think Shaq will. I disagree. I think they need more athletic PF/C to help guard the pick and role.

**egami** · 06-25-2009, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by heitclone

I can't understand why anyone wouldnt think this is a great deal for the Cavs. Shaq has a ONE year contract, this gives them lots of flexibility to make a move in the 2010 FA grab. I don't think this makes the Cavs better than Boston, LA or maybe Orlando next year but its going to allow them to the opportunity to go after a big name following next season, and Lebron will have a ring within 3 years.

Well, I stated my stance on page one, but here is the flip side...

Shaq will be motivated in a new town. He'll be motivated to try and take it to Kobe w/ LeBron. It doesn't cost them a ton of money to do. And, it will help the team.

However, like I said before, I just don't see negatives getting beat out by the positives on this one.

**CycloneErik** · 06-25-2009, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by egami

Well, I stated my stance on page one, but here is the flip side...

Shaq will be motivated in a new town. He'll be motivated to try and take it to Kobe w/ LeBron. It doesn't cost them a ton of money to do. And, it will help the team.

However, like I said before, I just don't see negatives getting beat out by the positives on this one.

I like how ESPN is pointing out that the Cavs picked up a future Hall of Famer in Shaq. Sure, he's a future Hall of Famer, but he's wayyyy on the decline, and he doesn't seem to address the Cavs needs. A young athletic PF/C would have done that, but an old, overweight, slow big man does not.

**egami** · 06-25-2009, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneErik

I like how ESPN is pointing out that the Cavs picked up a future Hall of Famer in Shaq. Sure, he's a future Hall of Famer, but he's wayyyy on the decline, and he doesn't seem to address the Cavs needs. A young athletic PF/C would have done that, but an old, overweight, slow big man does not.

Yeah, really...no question his name is bigger than his game at this point.

**heitclone** · 06-25-2009, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by egami

Well, I stated my stance on page one, but here is the flip side...

Shaq will be motivated in a new town. He'll be motivated to try and take it to Kobe w/ LeBron. It doesn't cost them a ton of money to do. And, it will help the team.

However, like I said before, I just don't see negatives getting beat out by the positives on this one.

I'm pretty much on the same page with ya here, my main point was that its an upgrade over Wallace and it should have a good financial impact, I see it going 1 of 2 ways, with the same end result. Either the Cavs win it all and Shaq retires or they fall short and Shaq retires...I'm leaning towards the latter. But regardless Shaq got Kobe's name out of the headlines, and ensured that he'll be associated with the biggest story in the NBA for the next 12 months or so.

**clones_jer** · 06-25-2009, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

Shaq of 10 years ago certainly is an upgrade over Ilgauskas. Shaq of today - not so much.

what?!?! Shaq in a wheelchair is more mobile than Big Z.

Shaq is an upgrade ... and they really get 1 center all- year now, as one of the two will be injured at any given time.

**TxCycloneFan** · 06-25-2009, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneErik

...but an old, overweight, slow big man does not.

I could have done that for a whole lot less money!

**hurdleisu24** · 06-28-2009, 05:13 PM

I think that its interesting that Shaq says he told the Suns GM he didn't want to go to Portland back in Feb when they supposely had interest but yet Portland denies even talking to the Suns