Difference between Favre and MJ?!?!

**clones_jer** · 08-20-2009, 09:40 AM

Personally I hope the Pack retires Favre's jersey during the Vikings game this year.

**Clones85'** · 08-20-2009, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by clones_jer

Genuine?!?!? He's ****ed-over the team and fans that hold him in legend status. He mad life nothing but hell for the Pack at the end ... they had to make the move they made.

Now he goes to a division rival for revenge? ... and skips training camp (sounds like he really wants to get to know his teammates).

He's the most self-centered, self-motivated, self-important person in professional sports this side of TO.

Do you really think in 5 years Packers fans are going to care about this? If Favre wins a SB I think they will, otherwise I seriously doubt it. 15 years and 3 MVP's doesn't go away so easy.

And yes I think he is genuine. DURING the season please tell me of one thing Favre has done that has been self-centered? Does anyone play the game harder? Does anyone make less excuses? I really really like Favre (hate how he has handled everything though....just to make that clear)

**clones_jer** · 08-20-2009, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

Do you really think in 5 years Packers fans are going to care about this? If Favre wins a SB I think they will, otherwise I seriously doubt it. 15 years and 3 MVP's doesn't go away so easy.

And yes I think he is genuine. DURING the season please tell me of one thing Favre has done that has been self-centered? Does anyone play the game harder? Does anyone make less excuses? I really really like Favre (hate how he has handled everything though....just to make that clear)

that's not really the point - he's a self-centered piece of **** in the off-season, so I have to assume he doesn't change much during. It's harder to retire/un-retire during the seasons I guess.

-> He plays hurt when it is in the teams best interest to have a healthy QB.

->He forces passes that result in picks

-> He plays for a division rival to settle a personal score.

**Cyclone90** · 08-20-2009, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

I don't believe for one second that Favre did this to stay out of training camp. He could have said he wasn't ready yet b/c of having surgery. He wouldn't have said he was done, than undone just to get out of that.

So saying he couldn't commit to playing a full year and continuing to work out are just a coincidence?

Is this Brett Favre leaving the door open? - The Huddle - USATODAY.com

**Clones85'** · 08-20-2009, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by clones_jer

that's not really the point - he's a self-centered piece of **** in the off-season, so I have to assume he doesn't change much during. It's harder to retire/un-retire during the seasons I guess.

-> He plays hurt when it is in the teams best interest to have a healthy QB. happened once in his 18 year history. And who knows if Clemons would have been the better option?

->He forces passes that result in picks And he forces passes that nobody else can make resulting in TD's

-> He plays for a division rival to settle a personal score. maybe. if this was last year I wouldn't even argue this but not this year. He has already worked with the offensive coordinator and he knows the offense like the back of his hand. They are a super bowl contending team. Good offensive line to keep him healthy. plays in dome. IF you look at the situation it is a perfect fit for Favre

Nobody is loved more by their old teammates than Favre. Besides Thomas Jones name a bad thing said about the man

**Cyclone90** · 08-20-2009, 09:55 AM

I'm sure Vikings players have similar setiments too. Jones wasn't the only unhappy Jets player either.

On Monday, fourth-year safety Kerry Rhodes told the paper: "If he's dedicated and he wants to come back and do this, and do it the right way ... and be here when we're here in training camp and the minicamps and working out with us ... then I'm fine with it. But don't come back if it's going to be halfhearted or he doesn't want to put the time in with us."

Piling on: Jets teammates unhappy with Favre - NFL News - FOX Sports on MSN

**Clones85'** · 08-20-2009, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by Cyclone90

So saying he couldn't commit to playing a full year and continuing to work out are just a coincidence?

Is this Brett Favre leaving the door open? - The Huddle - USATODAY.com

This is really simple to understand

Vikings gave him an ultimatum. You have to be here by training camp. When that time came he still wasn't sure he could play. He had just found out that there was a tear in his rotator cuff. He decided he couldn't commit to play.

He kept throwing and practicing with the high school kids (whom he seems to love helping out) and than on Monday the Vikings came calling again. This was a full 2 to 3 weeks after he turned them down and at this time he felt better about his arm and decided he could play.

I really don't believe conspiracy theories like some people.

**clones_jer** · 08-20-2009, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

This is really simple to understand

Vikings gave him an ultimatum. You have to be here by training camp. When that time came he still wasn't sure he could play. He had just found out that there was a tear in his rotator cuff. He decided he couldn't commit to play.

He kept throwing and practicing with the high school kids (whom he seems to love helping out) and than on Monday the Vikings came calling again. This was a full 2 to 3 weeks after he turned them down and at this time he felt better about his arm and decided he could play.

I really don't believe conspiracy theories like some people.

How do Brett's balls taste anyway Clones85'?

**GeronimusClone** · 08-20-2009, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by clones_jer

How do Brett's balls taste anyway Clones85'?

My guess is like denim and Old Spice.

**Bubbahotep** · 08-20-2009, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

Yeah bringing your kid to sit next to you at a press conference is the exact same as telling a small story about your kid wanting you to go back to play football and win a super bowl.

You can hate on Favre all you want. You can call him a drama queen and a guy who can't make up his mind all you want (and I will agree with you to a point)....but I will argue with anyone who says that Favre isn't genuine. I think that is why he is loved by so many fans

Brett Favre has out T.O.'d T.O. Call a spade a spade, his life is nothing if he isn't the center of the N.F.L. universe. Favre was genuine, but fame and money and being in the soptlight changes a person, and usually not for the better.

**Cyclone90** · 08-20-2009, 10:30 AM

More on Brett's motivations and teammates...

Brett Favre's signing sends bad message to Minnesota Vikings players - Ross Tucker - SI.com

Training camp is not important: It's pretty obvious that one of the key sticking points for Favre was attending training camp in Mankato. ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported Favre told one Vikings player that if he didn't have to go to training camp and live in a college dorm, he probably would have said he could play three weeks ago. That's confusing because Favre said three weeks ago he didn't feel like he could make it through a season physically. He made no mention about his disdain for camp at that time. It will be pretty tough for coach Childress to ever convince the players that training camp is important going forward now that they clearly were willing to let Favre get out of it this year.

Suffice to say, I've yet to speak with a Packer or Jet who wishes Favre was still playing for their team.

**Clones85'** · 08-20-2009, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by clones_jer

How do Brett's balls taste anyway Clones85'?

Typical juvenile response from you. Wouldn't expect anything less

The guy has 19 + years on his side to show he is genuine. I will look at that over a couple off seasons