Harden, Heilman claimed

**chuckd4735** · 08-28-2009, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by cybsball20

Interleague is a terrible barometer, just look how they match it up. How do you think it would work out if you matched up 1v1 2v2 3v3 etc.

The AL would still have the advantage...

**Clonegrad07** · 08-28-2009, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

The AL would still have the advantage...

No... they wouldn't. I've said for YEARS the NL is the better league. I will agree with Cybsball20 on this one. Of the last 8 world series (in the 2000s) 4 have been NL and 4 have been AL... which means, they're fairly even. I give the NL the nod because I just seem to think, this year, the NL is better. Plus, the AL is always weighed down in opinion because there are so many yankees and red sox fans who only see two teams (ex: Peter Gammons and all espn anchors)

**chuckd4735** · 08-28-2009, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Clonegrad07

No... they wouldn't. I've said for YEARS the NL is the better league. I will agree with Cybsball20 on this one. Of the last 8 world series (in the 2000s) 4 have been NL and 4 have been AL... which means, they're fairly even. I give the NL the nod because I just seem to think, this year, the NL is better. Plus, the AL is always weighed down in opinion because there are so many yankees and red sox fans who only see two teams (ex: Peter Gammons and all espn anchors)

Yes, they would, I promise you. They are a better league from top to bottom. Better hitters, better position players, better pitchers. The All-star game record proves this. Stop drinking your NL Kool-aid.

**Clonegrad07** · 08-28-2009, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

Yes, they would, I promise you. They are a better league from top to bottom. Better hitters, better position players, better pitchers. The All-star game record proves this. Stop drinking you NL Kool-aid.

The all star game means NOTHING... they don't play hard, they don't play the guys the whole time, they don't give a ****. That's a TERRIBLE barometer. You don't know much about baseball if you think it is a good barometer...

If it's a good barometer, why wouldn't Pedro have pitched the entire thing when he was dominating people a couple years back (including barry bonds) for one inning? Why wouldn't Jeter play the whole game because no one makes people around him better like Jeter does? Why would Pujols not be in the whole game?

**cybsball20** · 08-28-2009, 12:07 PM

I actually think that the leagues are so close that the whole thing is a tupid argument, thats why I always take the NL side... It's all the same players...

**chuckd4735** · 08-28-2009, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Clonegrad07

The all star game means NOTHING... they don't play hard, they don't play the guys the whole time, they don't give a ****. That's a TERRIBLE barometer. You don't know much about baseball if you think it is a good barometer...

If it's a good barometer, why wouldn't Pedro have pitched the entire thing when he was dominating people a couple years back (including barry bonds) for one inning? Why wouldn't Jeter play the whole game because no one makes people around him better like Jeter does? Why would Pujols not be in the whole game?

You have to be kidding me right? How is the All-Star game a terrible barometer? You have most of the top players in each league filling out 35 roster spots. Just about everyone of them sees playing time sometime throughout the game. The All Star game proves that the AL has better players all around, and that fact is not arguable.

**cgwarrior33** · 08-28-2009, 07:20 PM

Sources confirm Minnesota Twins claim Chicago Cubs right-handed pitcher Rich Harden - ESPN Chicago

Twins were awarded the claim of Harden.

**Cyclone90** · 08-29-2009, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by cgwarrior33

Sources confirm Minnesota Twins claim Chicago Cubs right-handed pitcher Rich Harden - ESPN Chicago

Twins were awarded the claim of Harden.

I'm guessing that deal would be in jeopardy now.

Minnesota Twins acquire RHP Rauch from Arizona Diamondbacks - ESPN

**Steve** · 08-29-2009, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by Cyclone90

I'm guessing that deal would be in jeopardy now.

Minnesota Twins acquire RHP Rauch from Arizona Diamondbacks - ESPN

The Twins adding Rauch and Mahay to bolster the bullpen has nothing to do with still trying to add a starter.

The last that I've heard is that the two clubs have agreed on compensation (Hermsen & Tosino), but that the deal will hinge on Harden agreeing to a contract extension.

Tosino is no big loss for the Twins as he would probably never get past the outfielder glut in the system. Hermsen (Iowa native) fell to a lower round in last year's draft due to signability questions. The Twins pulled off the signing and he has looked very solid in rookie ball - basically a 1st round talent. I don't like giving up Hermsen, but the immediate benefits are worth the move.

The biggest impact is that it would demonstrate the Twins commitment to winning and be a huge boost to securing an extension from Mauer.

**gocubs2118** · 08-29-2009, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Steve

The Twins adding Rauch and Mahay to bolster the bullpen has nothing to do with still trying to add a starter.

The last that I've heard is that the two clubs have agreed on compensation (Hermsen & Tosino), but that the deal will hinge on Harden agreeing to a contract extension.

Tosino is no big loss for the Twins as he would probably never get past the outfielder glut in the system. Hermsen (Iowa native) fell to a lower round in last year's draft due to signability questions. The Twins pulled off the signing and he has looked very solid in rookie ball - basically a 1st round talent. I don't like giving up Hermsen, but the immediate benefits are worth the move.

The biggest impact is that it would demonstrate the Twins commitment to winning and be a huge boost to securing an extension from Mauer.

I'll be ****** if the Cubs trade Harden for those two guys. Hendry should ask for one of the Twins top 5 prospects or say no deal.

**Cyclone90** · 08-29-2009, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Steve

The Twins adding Rauch and Mahay to bolster the bullpen has nothing to do with still trying to add a starter.

The last that I've heard is that the two clubs have agreed on compensation (Hermsen & Tosino), but that the deal will hinge on Harden agreeing to a contract extension.

Tosino is no big loss for the Twins as he would probably never get past the outfielder glut in the system. Hermsen (Iowa native) fell to a lower round in last year's draft due to signability questions. The Twins pulled off the signing and he has looked very solid in rookie ball - basically a 1st round talent. I don't like giving up Hermsen, but the immediate benefits are worth the move.

The biggest impact is that it would demonstrate the Twins commitment to winning and be a huge boost to securing an extension from Mauer.

Yup, my bad. Thought he was a starter.

**CycloneJoe** · 08-29-2009, 03:21 PM

The Cardinals Dodgers and Phillies

would do fine vs the Angels Tigers and Yankees

**hurdleisu24** · 08-29-2009, 05:05 PM

That deal should be only if Harden doesn't agree to an extension if he agrees to one then the Cubs have to get more in a deal

**CycloneJoe** · 08-29-2009, 05:29 PM

they should make the twins take Bradley and half his contract

The cubs would do that trade for a 35 year old guy in a ball

**hurdleisu24** · 08-29-2009, 09:43 PM

I bet the Cubs would hold on to him if he told them that he wouldn't accept arbitration. I think the fact that he's been constantly injured and the Cubs if he were to accept arbitration would be on the hook for about 10 million is the only reason they are even thinking about trading him