Cubs to Trade Bradley to Ms for Carlos Silva

**rdubbs** · 12-18-2009, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by acrozier22

IMO it's overrated.

I'm hoping you forgot to add the

to that statement

**no2cyclones** · 12-18-2009, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Clones33

You are not the only Ms fan on the board and I think you are a harsh grader. The Cubs were determined to get rid of Bradley and if you look at it from an optimistic point of view, they are getting an AL pitcher, who could hover around a 4.5-5 ERA and eat innings for them if he stays healthy.

From the Ms point of view I LOVE this move. We get an everyday LF for our 7th or 8th starter and moneywise, that make a ton more sense for us as well.

Grade wise: A for the Ms and B- to C+ for the Cubs

Another Mariners fan in Iowa?! Awesome! Looking forward to talking baseball with you in the springtime!

I may be harsh, but have you seen where MB has been in his career? And how most, if not all, of those stops ended? Yes, he does have a pretty good deal of potential left in him, but I really can't see past the attitude issues, unless, like I said previously, Griffey can get to him and straighten him out. That being said, I'm holding firm on my C grade, pending further evalution into the season. Hold me to this, though--and make sure I hear about it if he does end up playing well. That would be one plate of crow I wouldn't mind chomping into.

**cyfanatic** · 12-18-2009, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by DaddyMac

+1

You know what's going to happen if we bring Bradley back. We probably know what migh happen with Silva.

I'll take the unknown over the known.

Not to mention, there are other trades that could happen. Not likely, but who knows.

Not sure what show I was listening to last night. But they were talking about the possibility of Chicago eating the Bradley $$$ and cutting him all the same.

If Bradley was brought back to the north side and got off to a slow start...the Ricketts family would have to hire more security for the right field bleacher seats! It would have been ugly out there...and maybe unsafe!

**dtclones** · 12-18-2009, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by DaddyMac

+1

You know what's going to happen if we bring Bradley back. We probably know what migh happen with Silva.

I'll take the unknown over the known.

Not to mention, there are other trades that could happen. Not likely, but who knows.

Not sure what show I was listening to last night. But they were talking about the possibility of Chicago eating the Bradley $$$ and cutting him all the same.

1) I agree with you there. We gotta play the odds on that one.

2) If they didn't trade Bradley, I was hoping they would do this. It's a lot of money for nothing, but it's better than having the team chemistry disrupted and still paying that much...

**DaddyMac** · 12-18-2009, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by acrozier22

IMO it's overrated.

Should be overrated. These guys are getting paid a boat load of money to do their job, shouldnt matter what the think of another guy. Particularly in baseball that has minimal interaction between teammates on the field.

But it just never seems to work out that way. These cancers seem to show in baseball as much as any other sport.

**Clark** · 12-18-2009, 12:28 PM

I would rather cut Bradley outright than trade him for this piece of crap. If Silva pitches one inning this year without 3 other pitchers getting hurt, I'm going to be disgusted. I'm not sure he would be above replacement level in AAA let alone the majors.

**Clones33** · 12-18-2009, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by bkurt58

Another Mariners fan in Iowa?! Awesome! Looking forward to talking baseball with you in the springtime!

I may be harsh, but have you seen where MB has been in his career? And how most, if not all, of those stops ended? Yes, he does have a pretty good deal of potential left in him, but I really can't see past the attitude issues, unless, like I said previously, Griffey can get to him and straighten him out. That being said, I'm holding firm on my C grade, pending further evalution into the season. Hold me to this, though--and make sure I hear about it if he does end up playing well. That would be one plate of crow I wouldn't mind chomping into.

Check out this website:

U.S.S. Mariner

I stumbled onto it last year, and it is now my go-to source for what is happening in the Pacific NW. Tough to get that kind of insight here. Unfortunately here for me at the moment is Illinois. I got a job out of school, and this isn't the best economy to be job hunting so for the time being you might still be the only Mariners fan in Iowa.

**cyfanatic** · 12-18-2009, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by DaddyMac

Should be overrated. These guys are getting paid a boat load of money to do their job, shouldnt matter what the think of another guy. Particularly in baseball that has minimal interaction between teammates on the field.

But it just never seems to work out that way. These cancers seem to show in baseball as much as any other sport.

Which goes back to my earlier post...there was quite a bit of talk that Z has been as much of a problem regarding team chemistry as anyone in that clubhouse. How will the Cubs deal with that if the issue continues? Another day I guess...

One thing for sure...the Cubs have to have the most pitchers with the name "Carlos" on their roster! And two of them are getting HUGE money...especially when you consider the number of wins each of them put up.

**ce1** · 12-18-2009, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by kcclones

what do you do with Silva? not that we can expect much

Getting him to pitch in the NL ought to help out. And his contract, while bad, is only for two more years. He's an inning-eater, should help the bullpen out if nothing else.

**no2cyclones** · 12-18-2009, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Clones33

Check out this website:

U.S.S. Mariner

I stumbled onto it last year, and it is now my go-to source for what is happening in the Pacific NW. Tough to get that kind of insight here. Unfortunately here for me at the moment is Illinois. I got a job out of school, and this isn't the best economy to be job hunting so for the time being you might still be the only Mariners fan in Iowa.

Good find! I read something on that website the other day, actually. ESPN.com linked to it when one of the writers was talking about the Cliff Lee trade. (For the record, are we the only ones calling it the "Cliff Lee trade?" Haha...) I didn't know if it was all Mariners baseball stuff or what it was, but now I'll add it to the favorites. What's your take on Felix-CLee back-to-back now?

And I'll try to fly my flag high for the fledgling M's in Iowa for the time being!

**acrozier22** · 12-18-2009, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by rdubbs

I'm hoping you forgot to add the

to that statement

I didn't say it wasn't important, but it's overrated. Take the yankees for example. No team chemistry last year and this year they win the series. Was it team chemistry that made the difference? Hell no. It was talent and performance.

Winning = positive team chemistry. I have never heard of a winning team with poor team chemistry. It's "winning cures all" type of thinking.

**rdubbs** · 12-18-2009, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by acrozier22

I didn't say it wasn't important, but it's overrated. Take the yankees for example. No team chemistry last year and this year they win the series. Was it team chemistry that made the difference? Hell no. It was talent and performance.

Winning = positive team chemistry. I have never heard of a winning team with poor team chemistry. It's "winning cures all" type of thinking.

Did you hear of any of the Yankees bashing their fans or management?

**Clones33** · 12-18-2009, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by bkurt58

Good find! I read something on that website the other day, actually. ESPN.com linked to it when one of the writers was talking about the Cliff Lee trade. (For the record, are we the only ones calling it the "Cliff Lee trade?" Haha...) I didn't know if it was all Mariners baseball stuff or what it was, but now I'll add it to the favorites. What's your take on Felix-CLee back-to-back now?

And I'll try to fly my flag high for the fledgling M's in Iowa for the time being!

At the risk of completely hijacking the thread and talking about the Mariners. I LOVE Jack Z. For those of you who might still be reading this and dont follow the Mariners. Jack is our new GM and in the past year he has made Johjima/Silva go away, nabbed Gutierrez/Branyan/Bradley for nothing, Lee + Figgins way below market rate.

All signs now point to us re-signing King Felix and I will really, really enjoy making my first trip out to Safeco this year, (I grew up going to games in the Kingdome) to watch Felix and Lee.

**Clark** · 12-18-2009, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by ce1

Getting him to pitch in the NL ought to help out. And his contract, while bad, is only for two more years. He's an inning-eater, should help the bullpen out if nothing else.

If the guy is below replacement level (and the last two years he has been way below) it really doesn't matter if he's an innings eater. I'm an innings eater too, does that mean it's a good idea to have me and my 70 mph fastball starting every five days?

**Clonefan94** · 12-18-2009, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by dtclones

I agree 100% with you. The main reason I wanted Bradley off the team is because he is ineffective for what he was paid. Now it sounds like they have a guy who could be just as ineffective while making more money. Dumb.

I'm not a huge Cubs fan by any means, but I live in the Chicago area and listen to a ton of their sports talk radio. It seems their motto is, "anything is better than Bradley." I'm not sure the town feels this way, but it sounds to me like the wonderful Chicago media is putting a ton of pressure on Hendry to get rid of him. The media can be brutal here and it's been all the talk since the December meetings ended and the Cubs still had Bradley.