Cubs Interested In Ben Sheets?

**cybsball20** · 01-14-2010, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by TarHeelHawk

Lilly has been the most reliable and consistent starter on the staff since he signed in 2007. If anyone is a question mark, it isn't him. Zambrano and Dempster are bigger "question marks" than Lilly is.

and he just had shoulder surgery... Even the most minor and successful shoulder surgeries are a crap shoot because of the mental block you can have coming back.

**TarHeelHawk** · 01-14-2010, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by cybsball20

and he just had shoulder surgery... Even the most minor and successful shoulder surgeries are a crap shoot because of the mental block you can have coming back.

He had Surgery on Nov. 4, and the projected return date is April. Don't try to make it sound like he got cut a few days ago. Lilly isn't the kind of guy who's going to get a mental block coming off of surgery. As scatterbrained as he is, Zambrano fits that description a lot better.

**Clonegrad07** · 01-14-2010, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by cybsball20

and he just had shoulder surgery... Even the most minor and successful shoulder surgeries are a crap shoot because of the mental block you can have coming back.

Yep... beat me to it... Shoulder surgery is shoulder surgery... if he comes back like he has been, great... but you just never know... this is the Cubs you know.

**cybsball20** · 01-14-2010, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneman003

Lilly
Zambrano
Dempster
Sheets
Wells

.....yup. and arm short. wtf are you talking about. thats a damn good rotation if healthy (big time ?) but still have Gorz and Marshall for spot starts.

Assuming everyone is 100% and has a GREAT year then yes, it would be a good rotation... But Lilly is coming off surgery, Zambrano off a bad year, Sheets is a HUGE question mark and Wells will be scouted now and doesn't really have lights out stuff... I wouldn't call it "damn good".

**Clonegrad07** · 01-14-2010, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by TarHeelHawk

He had Surgery on Nov. 4, and the projected return date is April. Don't try to make it sound like he got cut a few days ago. Lilly isn't the kind of guy who's going to get a mental block coming off of surgery. As scatterbrained as he is, Zambrano fits that description a lot better.

He still had surgery man... You just never know with something like that... Yeah, I hope he's fine by April and 100%... surgery on a shoulder isn't easy when you throw a baseball for a living...

**TarHeelHawk** · 01-14-2010, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by cybsball20

Assuming everyone is 100% and has a GREAT year then yes, it would be a good rotation... But Lilly is coming off surgery, Zambrano off a bad year, Sheets is a HUGE question mark and Wells will be scouted now and doesn't really have lights out stuff... I wouldn't call it "damn good".

So the Cardinals have two good pitchers, one of whom is an injury waiting to happen, and the other coming off a career year, and it's the Cubs who have pitcing problems? Did Smoltz re-sign with St. Louis?

**cybsball20** · 01-14-2010, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by TarHeelHawk

He had Surgery on Nov. 4, and the projected return date is April. Don't try to make it sound like he got cut a few days ago. Lilly isn't the kind of guy who's going to get a mental block coming off of surgery. As scatterbrained as he is, Zambrano fits that description a lot better.

I'd be curious to see a list of guys who have had a shoulder surgery and came back to put up great numbers... Not calling you out, but I don't expect the list is very long. Docs seem to have the elbow much more figured out (minus that damn ulnar nerve)

**cybsball20** · 01-14-2010, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by TarHeelHawk

So the Cardinals have two good pitchers, one of whom is an injury waiting to happen, and the other coming off a career year, and it's the Cubs who have pitcing problems? Did Smoltz re-sign with St. Louis?

I'll take a pair of Aces over three threes any day. How many teams make the series without an Ace?

**Clonegrad07** · 01-14-2010, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by TarHeelHawk

So the Cardinals have two good pitchers, one of whom is an injury waiting to happen, and the other coming off a career year, and it's the Cubs who have pitcing problems? Did Smoltz re-sign with St. Louis?

-I'll trade any of the cubs pitchers today for Wainwright. In an instant.
-I'd trade any but lilly and MAYBE zambrano for Carpenter...
-Penny is no worse then Dempster and can be MUCH better if he keeps the ball down...

**Clonegrad07** · 01-14-2010, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by TarHeelHawk

So the Cardinals have two good pitchers, one of whom is an injury waiting to happen, and the other coming off a career year, and it's the Cubs who have pitcing problems? Did Smoltz re-sign with St. Louis?

Oh yeah... the Cards also have one of top pitching coaches who make guys like Joel Pinero and Kyle Lohse look good... so yeah... their staff is better then the Cubs...

**cybsball20** · 01-14-2010, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by Clonegrad07

-I'll trade any of the cubs pitchers today for Wainwright. In an instant.
-I'd trade any but lilly and MAYBE zambrano for Carpenter...
-Penny is no worse then Dempster and can be MUCH better if he keeps the ball down...

I think Penny could be REALLY good without the pressure of being at the top of the rotation...

**Clonegrad07** · 01-14-2010, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by cybsball20

I think Penny could be REALLY good without the pressure of being at the top of the rotation...

At times... he looks dominant... and at times... he looks awful... I bet Duncan gets the best out of him... He usually does. Ask Joel Pinero, Kyle Lohse, Chris Carpenter, Matt Morris, Jeff Suppan, etc.....