Cubs' Theriot told to work on 2nd base - Page 2

TarHeelHawk · 01-14-2010, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

I have been saying this for a long time. Theriot would fare much better at second, and the Cubs should be seeking a shortstop during the off-season.

Andres Blanco.

Originally Posted by dtclones

Theriot doesn't have the arm to be a SS. He is much better suited for 2nd base. Now the question is who would take his place at SS.

See above.

enisthemenace · 01-14-2010, 10:36 PM

Castro is the only reason Theriot is working out at 2nd, but I don't see him playing that position until the Sept call ups. Apparently, Starlin's the real deal and will probably be up this year...most likely in Chi-towm to stay come 2011.

If you think about it, there is no other reason to go after Guzman as hard as the Cubs have this off-season. Long term, he's garbage, but may serve as a servicable 'stop-gap' 2 bagger. The transition from SS to 2nd won't be easy for Theriot.

For those of you talking Tejada...I want what you're into. Not going to happen.

Clonegrad07 · 01-14-2010, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by agronclone

i just read something about the cubs interest in jermaine dye. and also xavier nady. reed johnson still is in the mix, but whoever doesn't get a full-time gig somewhere else may end up in chicago.
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I HATE Xavier Nady... he sucks.
Reed Johnson hustles, but isn't a great player.... all around.
Jermaine Dye would be the best of the bunch, but he's a liability sometimes in Right Field. But he can hit...

Clonegrad07 · 01-14-2010, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by enisthemenace

Castro is the only reason Theriot is working out at 2nd, but I don't see him playing that position until the Sept call ups. Apparently, Starlin's the real deal and will probably be up this year...most likely in Chi-towm to stay come 2011.

If you think about it, there is no other reason to go after Guzman as hard as the Cubs have this off-season. Long term, he's garbage, but may serve as a servicable 'stop-gap' 2 bagger. The transition from SS to 2nd won't be easy for Theriot.

For those of you talking Tejada...I want what you're into. Not going to happen.

Think again man... he came up in 2005 as a 2nd baseman and played most of 2006 as a 2nd baseman. It wasn't until 2007 that he made the switch to SS.

cycloneman003 · 01-14-2010, 10:47 PM

this is definitely not because the cubs are lookin a SS's for this year. this is for the future. Starlin Castro is going to be a freak. sounds like he'll be in the majors by mid-summer.

TarHeelHawk · 01-14-2010, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneman003

this is definitely not because the cubs are lookin a SS's for this year. this is for the future. Starlin Castro is going to be a freak. sounds like he'll be in the majors by mid-summer.

Signed,

Felix Pie and Corey Patterson. The next "can't miss" prospect for the Cubs that doesn't flame out will be the first since Greg Maddux.

Clonegrad07 · 01-14-2010, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by TarHeelHawk

Andres Blanco.

See above.

He can't hit well enough to be an everyday player for the Cubbies...

TarHeelHawk · 01-14-2010, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Clonegrad07

He can't hit well enough to be an everyday player for the Cubbies...

Doesn't matter, he's more suited play short than Theriot is, and would therefore give the Cubs an immediate defensive upgrade at the position. At the same time, 2nd base was a black hole in the lineup last year, and moving Theriot there would be a big upgrade offensively from the Miles/Fontenot/Baker/Blanco cluster**** that Lou had to pick from every day last season.

Clonegrad07 · 01-14-2010, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by TarHeelHawk

Doesn't matter, he's more suited play short than Theriot is, and would therefore give the Cubs an immediate defensive upgrade at the position. At the same time, 2nd base was a black hole in the lineup last year, and moving Theriot there would be a big upgrade offensively from the Miles/Fontenot/Baker/Blanco cluster**** that Lou had to pick from every day last season.

So you upgrade the 2nd base hitting to downgrade the shortstop hitting... We gain nothing in the batting line up from this move...

Also, Theriot doesn't have a real strong arm, but has plenty of range to play short. I'd leave Theriot at Short if this is your solution because I like to have a lot of stability at the most important infield position and shuffle the 2nd base position with fontenot and blanco...

TarHeelHawk · 01-14-2010, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by Clonegrad07

So you upgrade the 2nd base hitting to downgrade the shortstop hitting... We gain nothing in the batting line up from this move...

Also, Theriot doesn't have a real strong arm, but has plenty of range to play short. I'd leave Theriot at Short if this is your solution because I like to have a lot of stability at the most important infield position and shuffle the 2nd base position with fontenot and blanco...

Sure you do, you make the infield better defensively. You don't really lose anything either. Sorry, but a SS/2nd combo of Theriot and Miles doesn't sound too exciting, and neither does a combination of Theriot and Fontenot. Fontenot seemed lost at the plate and in the field once he was given the full time starters job last year. If they're going to leave Theriot at short, give 2nd base to Baker (if he's still around), he was actually one of the better hitters on the team when Lou put him in the lineup.

Clonegrad07 · 01-14-2010, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by TarHeelHawk

Sure you do, you make the infield better defensively. You don't really lose anything either. Sorry, but a SS/2nd combo of Theriot and Miles doesn't sound too exciting, and neither does a combination of Theriot and Fontenot. Fontenot seemed lost at the plate and in the field once he was given the full time starters job last year. If they're going to leave Theriot at short, give 2nd base to Baker (if he's still around), he was actually one of the better hitters on the team when Lou put him in the lineup.

I don't want EITHER of the two Rockies' cast offs playing 2nd base everyday for the Cubs... Baker and Miles both suck... I would much rather have Blanco or Fontenot in there... I'm just saying that Blanco can't hit a lick and everyday players are expected to hit... period. No matter what position you play... (unless your name is Paul Bako) If Blanco gets a little better with his bat this year... I'm all for it... I'd just rather have the guy who will be in the lineup every day (Theriot) at the more important position...

TarHeelHawk · 01-14-2010, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by Clonegrad07

I don't want EITHER of the two Rockies' cast offs playing 2nd base everyday for the Cubs... Baker and Miles both suck... I would much rather have Blanco or Fontenot in there... I'm just saying that Blanco can't hit a lick and everyday players are expected to hit... period. No matter what position you play... (unless your name is Paul Bako) If Blanco gets a little better with his bat this year... I'm all for it... I'd just rather have the guy who will be in the lineup every day (Theriot) at the more important position...

If you look at Bakers stat during his time with the team, he was pretty decent. Miles is gone, so that doesn't matter. Blanco can't hit, but that can be taught, and that's what spring training is for.

cybsball20 · 01-14-2010, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by TarHeelHawk

Signed,

Felix Pie and Corey Patterson. The next "can't miss" prospect for the Cubs that doesn't flame out will be the first since Greg Maddux.

Don't forget Hee Seop Choi and Bobby Hill.

Clonegrad07 · 01-14-2010, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by TarHeelHawk

If you look at Bakers stat during his time with the team, he was pretty decent. Miles is gone, so that doesn't matter. Blanco can't hit, but that can be taught, and that's what spring training is for.

Because Baker put together a decent 30 games last year doesn't mean he doesn't suck.... lots of good triple A players like Jeff Baker can put a decent 30-50 games together at some point in their career. He also didn't set the world on fire...

I hope Blanco played some AFL ball or somewhere in the Dominican and improved with the bat... I'd love to see him there more often, but only if he can learn to swing the bat like a big leaguer...