Cubs Call Up Castro

**gocubs2118** · 05-07-2010, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by dtclones

If they are going to have Fontenot and Baker on the bench, it might be worthwhile to get another reliever for one of those two, especially when Z goes back to the rotation which I think is inevitable.

If you're going to trade someone, it should be Theriot. He is going to have the best value out of all those guys. You aren't going to get much of anything if you trade either Baker or Fontenot.

**VeloClone** · 05-07-2010, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by gocubs2118

If you're going to trade someone, it should be Theriot. He is going to have the best value out of all those guys. You aren't going to get much of anything if you trade either Baker or Fontenot.

He has the best value in a trade because he has proven value to the club. I really believe if they trade TheRiot they will regret it down the road. It will come up every time a middle infielder struggles at the plate for the next ten years.

**dtclones** · 05-07-2010, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by gocubs2118

If you're going to trade someone, it should be Theriot. He is going to have the best value out of all those guys. You aren't going to get much of anything if you trade either Baker or Fontenot.

Yeah, but Theriot is relatively cheap and we need him. He's one of our best hitters right now. Either way, there's really no use in having both those guys sitting your the bench.

**gocubs2118** · 05-07-2010, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by VeloClone

He has the best value in a trade because he has proven value to the club. I really believe if they trade TheRiot they will regret it down the road. It will come up every time a middle infielder struggles at the plate for the next ten years.

I don't really like Theriot, especially if he has move to 2B. He is an average offensive SS but he would be a below average 2B. Sure he is hitting well now but he isn't walking well enough this year. Once his average dips to around .300 he is going to be useless hitting leadoff.

**JBone84** · 05-07-2010, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by cycopath25

Who cares?

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

I do.

Originally Posted by HILLCYD

"Would you say that's a significant number?"

Yes, ******* - over the limit is a significant number that's why you're in jail.

**VeloClone** · 05-07-2010, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by gocubs2118

I don't really like Theriot, especially if he has move to 2B. He is an average offensive SS but he would be a below average 2B. Sure he is hitting well now but he isn't walking well enough this year. Once his average dips to around .300 he is going to be useless hitting leadoff.

Sorry to say at this point he is a well above average Cub hitter.

By the way, the last time I looked he was 5th in the NL in BA. How is that average at any position?

Edit: You are also assuming that if his average dips to around .300 that his walks will not go up. That is a lot of assuming.

**dtclones** · 05-07-2010, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by gocubs2118

I don't really like Theriot, especially if he has move to 2B. He is an average offensive SS but he would be a below average 2B. Sure he is hitting well now but he isn't walking well enough this year. Once his average dips to around .300 he is going to be useless hitting leadoff.

Theriot is a traditional hitter for a 2B. SS is becoming more and more of a power position while 2B isn't. I think 2B suits him much, much better, not only for offensive reasons but for defensive as well. Plus, I don't think you can look at his walks and automatically say he's not a good leadoff hitter. You have to look at his on-base % to really make that claim. When he's seeing the ball like he has been, I'd rather have singles than walks.

**gocubs2118** · 05-07-2010, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by VeloClone

Sorry to say at this point he is a well above average Cub hitter.

By the way, the last time I looked he was 5th in the NL in BA. How is that average at any position?

Average isn't a very good stat to look at by itself. Let me ask you this, would you rather have your leadoff hit .300 and have an OBP of .340 or a guy who hits .275 and has an OBP of .380?

**dtclones** · 05-07-2010, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by gocubs2118

Average isn't a very good stat to look at by itself. Let me ask you this, would you rather have your leadoff hit .300 and have an OBP of .340 or a guy who hits .275 and has an OBP of .380?

Yeah, I agree that average isn't a great stat to look at by itself for fantasy player, but in reality you need guys like that on your team. I agree that Theriot will never carry a team like Soriano, Lee and Ramirez can, but he is still very valueable to the team right now. Ideally, I'd like to see him hit in the two spot, but right now we don't have a bonafide leadoff hitter so he's our man. Your points are valid, but I think Theriot's situation with the Cubs is different.

**Wesley** · 05-07-2010, 12:57 PM

Guess when the Pirates sweep you and you are working 102, it is time to make some moves, any moves. It is like filling our bball team. Just keep making moves.

**gocubs2118** · 05-07-2010, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by dtclones

Yeah, I agree that average isn't a great stat to look at by itself for fantasy player, but in reality you need guys like that on your team. I agree that Theriot will never carry a team like Soriano, Lee and Ramirez can, but he is still very valueable to the team right now. Ideally, I'd like to see him hit in the two spot, but right now we don't have a bonafide leadoff hitter so he's our man. Your points are valid, but I think Theriot's situation with the Cubs is different.

I think Fukudome is a bonafide leadoff man. Last year he led all leadoff hitters in OBP, isn't that what you want in your leadoff hitter? To get on base?

**VeloClone** · 05-07-2010, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by gocubs2118

Average isn't a very good stat to look at by itself. Let me ask you this, would you rather have your leadoff hit .300 and have an OBP of .340 or a guy who hits .275 and has an OBP of .380?

CBS Sportsline seems to disagree with you as well. They had him listed as the 3rd best SS last week and the 4th best this week. That's in MLB not just the NL, by the way.

I would rather have a player that over the years has managed to both hit and work a walk. He has. You are discounting the BA as an abberation this year, then bemoaning his walks being down this year. I would rather have a hit with a runner at 2nd or 3rd than a walk. These are important when you have a pitcher laying down the sacrifice to move runners up right before you. Leadoff is only guaranteed once a game. The rest of the game you are more often than not following the pitcher.

**dtclones** · 05-07-2010, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by gocubs2118

I think Fukudome is a bonafide leadoff man. Last year he led all leadoff hitters in OBP, isn't that what you want in your leadoff hitter? To get on base?

If Fukudome could hit worth two ***** against lefties, I'd agree with you. I don't think he's quite a bonafide leadoff guy, but I wouldn't mind seeing him get a shot at it, because you're right, as long as he's getting on base and stealing a few bases, he's doing his job.

**VeloClone** · 05-07-2010, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by gocubs2118

I think Fukudome is a bonafide leadoff man. Last year he led all leadoff hitters in OBP, isn't that what you want in your leadoff hitter? To get on base?

Okay, so if he doesn't bat leadoff necessarily does it automatically follow that you trade one of the few players who is actually hitting?

**gocubs2118** · 05-07-2010, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by dtclones

If Fukudome could hit worth two ***** against lefties, I'd agree with you. I don't think he's quite a bonafide leadoff guy, but I wouldn't mind seeing him get a shot at it, because you're right, as long as he's getting on base and stealing a few bases, he's doing his job.

Well you could have Fukudome hit leadoff against RHP and Theriot against LHP. Nothing wrong with that.