Brett Favre= Worst Captain in NFL

**Cyclonepride** · 08-02-2010, 10:50 PM

Saw a game a few years back where the sideline reporter asked Favre a question about helping Rodgers learn the ropes, and he basically said learning the position was his (Rodgers') problem. I don't know what anyone else would define as a leader, but he isn't one to me. To me, a leader would show the youngster the ropes, and then still beat his *** for the starting spot.

**IcSyU** · 08-02-2010, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by azn4cy

The all time leader in interceptions takes care of the ball? I guess you do learn something new every day.

He's also got 4.3 million passes attempted, and last season, he did an excellent job taking care of the ball. Adrian Peterson was the bigger issue with taking care of the ball.

**azn4cy** · 08-02-2010, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by IcSyU

He's also got 4.3 million passes attempted, and last season, he did an excellent job taking care of the ball. Adrian Peterson was the bigger issue with taking care of the ball.

You're right, Favre was not as bad as usual at not turning it over, but he didn't get the gunslinger title by being safe.. he pretty much ended the Packers season the same way when he first retired. Sooner or later you knew he'd go back to old Favre.. just happened to be in a game where AP struggled as well... and with the game on the line.

**Marc936** · 08-02-2010, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by IcSyU

Favre and Rodgers both need to go way higher. They blow Brady and Warner out of the water stat-wise last season.

1. Brees
2. Favre
3. Rodgers
4. Rivers
5. Manning

2-5 are probably interchangable depending on the opponent each week. NO WAY Rodgers and Favre are that low however. Manning, Rivers, and Warner are interception factories. Favre, Rodgers, and Romo all take care of the ball.

minnesota without farve= still playoff contenders

arizona without warner, chargers without rivers, colts without manning= not a chance

favre is no way #2, its easy to pass when you have a balanced team.

**IcSyU** · 08-02-2010, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by Marc936

minnesota without farve= still playoff contenders

arizona without warner, chargers without rivers, colts without manning= not a chance

favre is no way #2, its easy to pass when you have a balanced team.

Balanced? What proven receivers did the Vikings have before last year? Favre MADE Sidney Rice and Bernard Berrian, and he was a bunch of the reason Percy Harvin was as good as he was. Without Favre, they aren't a playoff team, or even close to one last year. They probably drop both Green Bay games with Tarvaris, the 49er game, and maybe the Baltimore game. They're barely .500 without Favre last year.

**Cyched** · 08-02-2010, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by LindenCy

Favre was awesome last year, but it is funny to see Viking fans fawn over him after he was with the Pack for so long.

THIS

**Marc936** · 08-02-2010, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by IcSyU

Balanced? What proven receivers did the Vikings have before last year? Favre MADE Sidney Rice and Bernard Berrian, and he was a bunch of the reason Percy Harvin was as good as he was. Without Favre, they aren't a playoff team, or even close to one last year. They probably drop both Green Bay games with Tarvaris, the 49er game, and maybe the Baltimore game. They're barely .500 without Favre last year.

maybe because you had TJ at helm that you didn't realize how good your receiving corps were? hell berrian did pretty damn good when favre wasn't even around,and they didn't draft sidney rice so high so he could just sit there and do nothing.

you fail to realize the game changes when favre is there and when hes not, either way would of gotten them to the playoffs.

**IcSyU** · 08-02-2010, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Marc936

maybe because you had TJ at helm that you didn't realize how good your receiving corps were? hell berrian did pretty damn good when favre wasn't even around,and they didn't draft sidney rice so high so he could just sit there and do nothing.

you fail to realize the game changes when favre is there and when hes not, either way would of gotten them to the playoffs.

and guess who was going to be taking the snaps without Favre there? TJ! TJ kills both the passing game and AP because you can stack 8 in the box and he won't make you pay for it. Stack 8 against Favre, and you just gave up a 50 yard pass over the top. Last year was the first year Sidney Rice has done ANYTHING in a Viking uniform, and Bernard Berrian had arguably the best season of his career. Visanthe Shiancoe had arguably the best season of his career. Percy Harvin was everything and more of what was expected. Favre makes the Vikings 2 dimensional. TJax makes them run and run only. Brett Favre can win a game, Adrian Peterson can win a game, Tarvaris Jackson cannot. Eliminate AP, you have a QB left. One can win a game, one struggles. Vikings aren't a playoff team without Favre. They go 8-8 at best.

**Cyclone06** · 08-02-2010, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by bostrem00

Don't forget Tracy Porter is too

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YouTube - Brett Favre interception by Saints Tracy Porter NFC Championship. Paul Allen's Call

I still have this call saved on my phone! Sobering to listen to. The Vikes need to tell the old man to take a hike. We saw what he had last year and well thats that.

**IcSyU** · 08-02-2010, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclone06

I still have this call saved on my phone! Sobering to listen to. The Vikes need to tell the old man to take a hike. We saw what he had last year and well thats that.

No Vikings fan can hate Favre for the season last year. He CARRIED the team to the NFC Title Game. Did he f it up? Yes he did, but he's the sole reason they got there. AP decided to disappear down the stretch, and Favre carried them the rest of the way.

**CycloneGB** · 08-02-2010, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by LindenCy

Favre was awesome last year, but it is funny to see Viking fans fawn over him after he was with the Pack for so long.

Its amazing how quick that can turn around.. I know a lot of people that made fun of Favre (and how bad he "sucked") every single chance they got.. Now when asked its usually a line similar to "well I always liked him and knew he was good"

**Clones21** · 08-02-2010, 11:44 PM

As a Vikings fan i have never hated Favre. I've always respected his play, and i can say i'm very jealous of what the Packers had for 17 years.

**Marc936** · 08-03-2010, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by IcSyU

and guess who was going to be taking the snaps without Favre there? TJ! TJ kills both the passing game and AP because you can stack 8 in the box and he won't make you pay for it. Stack 8 against Favre, and you just gave up a 50 yard pass over the top. Last year was the first year Sidney Rice has done ANYTHING in a Viking uniform, and Bernard Berrian had arguably the best season of his career. Visanthe Shiancoe had arguably the best season of his career. Percy Harvin was everything and more of what was expected. Favre makes the Vikings 2 dimensional. TJax makes them run and run only. Brett Favre can win a game, Adrian Peterson can win a game, Tarvaris Jackson cannot. Eliminate AP, you have a QB left. One can win a game, one struggles. Vikings aren't a playoff team without Favre. They go 8-8 at best.

rice was the 2nd best rookie receiver, and got injured the next half of the season....how can you say he hasn't done anything in a viking uniform, he wasn't allowed to play in very many.

berrian did just as good when tj was at helm, just no one cared much because it wasnt favre that was throwing at him

shiancoe also did surprisingly well considering how many times they got near the red zone.

not saying TJ is awesome, but any decent quarterback could lead that team to playoff contention, kyle orton could of lead that team to the superbowl.

**IcSyU** · 08-03-2010, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by Marc936

rice was the 2nd best rookie receiver, and got injured the next half of the season....how can you say he hasn't done anything in a viking uniform, he wasn't allowed to play in very many.

Uh, that's exactly why he hasn't done anything in a Viking uniform.

berrian did just as good when tj was at helm, just no one cared much because it wasnt favre that was throwing at him

Berrian does a much better job and is more of a threat downfield (his entire purpose) with Favre at the helm. TJax can't throw a 10 yard slant, let alone a 40 yard post corner.

shiancoe also did surprisingly well considering how many times they got near the red zone.

Most underrated person on the field for the Vikings.

not saying TJ is awesome, but any decent quarterback could lead that team to playoff contention, kyle orton could of lead that team to the superbowl.

TJax = below average. Orton wouldn't have led them to the Super Bowl either. You need a top quarterback 95% of the time to get to the Super Bowl. Obviously there are teams that just have that awesome of defenses to get there (looking at you Baltimore Ravens) but the Vikings don't have that. Manning, Bress, Favre, Aikman, Elway, Brady, etc. are not decent quarterbacks. They're all excellent quarterbacks. Excellent quarterbacks make Super Bowls MUCH easier to win.