IOWA VS IOWA STATE BY POSITION

[SouthernHawk]

Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

Here is my take. I think you need to move a couple guys around.

QB ISU: Arnaud vs Christensen: Edge: ISU
Physically they are failry similar QB's, but JC lacks the 'moxy' AA brings


RB ISU: ARob vs ?? Edge: Huge ISU
Iowa doesn't have a proven back on their roster right now.

FB ISU: Ekwelundu vs Williams Edge: EVEN
BE is our true FB. I also look for Means to see some time here.

WR: ISU: Sumrall, Hamilton vs.Johnson/Cleveland Edge ISU
ISU has much more experience here than Iowa.

TE: ISU: Catlett vs. Myers Edge: ISU
We won't see a drop off here at all, not a knock on Barkema, but Catlett is that good. Colin Franklin is our other guy here.

OL: most back for both: Edge: ISU
Iowa's offensive line let Christenson get put on his back like Meyer in 06.

DL: ISU: I sr gone, 2 for Iowa Edge: Iowa
Agreed, this is ISU's weakest position for sure

LB: ISU both lose 2, Edge: Even
We have a bunch of young, athletic guys in the wings who all have plenty of game time under their belt, but Iowa has some young talented guys of their own.

CB:ISU Bell/Singleton vs. Fletcher Edge: ISU
Bell and Singleton will be a fantastic duo next year, while Iowa loses both their starters.

S: ISU Smith vs Dahlton/Greenwood Edge: Even
Smith came on at the end of the year, but Iowa has some impressive young guys at this postion.

Punters: ISU
Iowa's punter was terrible last year

FG: Edge: Iowa
We need a kicker


I know this looks like I am being a homer, but I jsut don't see any position on the field where Iowa has a clear advantage, while I see plenty of places where ISU has the edge.

I dunno, I think you could give advantage Iowa in a lot of areas as well, since there are 3 or 4 spots you are banking on incoming talent. This game this year is going to come down to who can replace their starters the best, and what team wants it more. I think ISU and Iowa are very similar this year. Iowa is an extremely young team, even next year. ISU is young and inexperienced as well.

It'll be interesting. But I think it's fair to say, just glancing at the roster, both Iowa and ISU are on the upswing. Both teams are young, and both have some good players starting to shine.

[ketelmeister]

Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

Here is my take. I think you need to move a couple guys around.

QB ISU: Arnaud vs Christensen: Edge: ISU
Physically they are failry similar QB's, but JC lacks the 'moxy' AA brings


RB ISU: ARob vs ?? Edge: Huge ISU
Iowa doesn't have a proven back on their roster right now.

FB ISU: Ekwelundu vs Williams Edge: EVEN
BE is our true FB. I also look for Means to see some time here.

WR: ISU: Sumrall, Hamilton vs.Johnson/Cleveland Edge ISU
ISU has much more experience here than Iowa.

TE: ISU: Catlett vs. Myers Edge: ISU
We won't see a drop off here at all, not a knock on Barkema, but Catlett is that good. Colin Franklin is our other guy here.

OL: most back for both: Edge: ISU
Iowa's offensive line let Christenson get put on his back like Meyer in 06.

DL: ISU: I sr gone, 2 for Iowa Edge: Iowa
Agreed, this is ISU's weakest position for sure

LB: ISU both lose 2, Edge: Even
We have a bunch of young, athletic guys in the wings who all have plenty of game time under their belt, but Iowa has some young talented guys of their own.

CB:ISU Bell/Singleton vs. Fletcher Edge: ISU
Bell and Singleton will be a fantastic duo next year, while Iowa loses both their starters.

S: ISU Smith vs Dahlton/Greenwood Edge: Even
Smith came on at the end of the year, but Iowa has some impressive young guys at this postion.

Punters: ISU
Iowa's punter was terrible last year

FG: Edge: Iowa
We need a kicker


I know this looks like I am being a homer, but I jsut don't see any position on the field where Iowa has a clear advantage, while I see plenty of places where ISU has the edge.

Arnaud has to prove himself...no way to know how he will do full time, or Bates, whoever wins that battle.

[CTTB78]

Iowa will have a very average team again next year and they will be in trouble if they can't defend their home field against Iowa State.

[cytech]

I know they were injured last year but why are people leaving brodell out of the WR picture for Iowa( he does have another year right?)
Also Moeaki(and I probably misspelled that) who just had surgery again but should be read for next year. I think he gives Iowa a edge on the TE spot as long as he can come back full strength. And I would still say even on the WR's because I really like ours.

[ajk4st8]

Too bad S. Greene isn't as good as the top 2 ISU backs.

I hope he is back, less excuses when we shut their run game down again.

[copenhagen]

You had a soph qb who dealt with alot of injuries n off the field issues. He was the most sacked qb in the nation, almost all freshman recievers, one of the youngest o-lines in the nation, yet still had 2800 yrds, 15-20 tds, and 6 ints. Arnaud was impressive in the limited time he was in, lets see what he does in a full season.

[jdoggivjc]

I think a lot of these comparisons depend on whether Iowa can keep their players out of the clink...

[SouthernHawk]

Originally Posted by ajk4st8

Too bad S. Greene isn't as good as the top 2 ISU backs.

I hope he is back, less excuses when we shut their run game down again.

Are you kidding? I wouldn't say he's better or worse right now, but I'm pretty sure you've never seen him play if this is your oponion.

I'm very hesitant to predict any wins next season, let alone compare the positions against ISU. And I'd think ISU fans would do the same. I realize that at the end of the season fans saw improvement, but let's not forget it was still a 3 win season with wins against only 1 team with above a .500 record.

I do expect, however, next year's game to be much better than 1 TD and 7 field goals.

[BryceC]

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

Are you kidding? I wouldn't say he's better or worse right now, but I'm pretty sure you've never seen him play if this is your oponion.

I wouldn't say Greene is better than Bass or Robinson. Nobody knows this for sure. Frankly Greene really hasn't touched the ball all that much while Robinson carried the load the last part of this year and really lead the way to ISU's two Big 12 wins. Greene has never carried the load at all and has been a career backup.

He rushed the ball only 32 times in 2006 and had zero receptions. Robinson did that in one game. There is absolutely zero proof that Greene would be better than Robinson. However, it's probably a moot point because he might not even make it back to Iowa.

However, when I look at the teams here is how I feel about them:

QB ISU: Arnaud vs Christensen: Edge: Push
We don't know what Arnaud is going to do, or even if he'll be the starter. Jake has started a full season and I think he'll be better next year.

RB ISU: ARob/Bass vs ?? Edge: Big ISU
No returning experience for Iowa

FB ISU: Ekwelundu vs Williams Edge: ???
I don't even really care here, we don't use a FB much.

WR: ISU: Sumrall, Hamilton vs.Johnson/Cleveland Edge: Push
The experience thing really doesn't shift it much to ISU. All their young guys got good experience and based on the number of JUCO WR's Chiz recruited I don't think he values our experience that much.

TE: ISU: Catlett vs. Myers Edge: Big Iowa
Moeaki and Myers are great TE's, and Catlett was an H-Back last year. We have no idea what to expect from him at the position.

OL: most back for both: Edge: ISU
Iowa's offensive line let Christenson get put on his back like Meyer in 06. Agree here.

DL: ISU: I sr gone, 2 for Iowa Edge: Iowa
Ballard and Clayborn won't be much of a dropoff for Iowa's defensive line that was very solid last year.

LB: ISU both lose 2, Edge: Iowa
Iowa returns AJ Edds who is a very solid player. I do not feel like this is a position of strength at all for ISU.

CB:ISU Bell/Singleton vs. Fletcher Edge: ISU
Bell and Singleton return with a year in the system and Iowa really only returns Fletcher and Bernsteine who didn't see a lot of time.

S: ISU Smith vs Dahlton/Greenwood Edge: Push
I like both team's young players.

Punters: ISU
Iowa's punter was terrible last year

FG: Edge: Iowa
Iowa's guys have the experience but Guyer could be very solid.

[Gary_ISU]

Originally Posted by BryceC

FB ISU: Ekwelundu vs Williams Edge: ???
I don't even really care here, we don't use a FB much.

I agree with most of what you said except that we do not use the FB much. Catlett caught 21 passes last year making him 5th on the team. Most of them that I remember he was lined up as a FB/HB. This really was an important position for us. Barkema caught only 18 passes. Perhaps with better o-line play we can use the TE more.

Everyone seems to have Catlett moved over to TE. Is that a guess or is it official from Chizik?

[SouthernHawk]

Originally Posted by BryceC

I wouldn't say Greene is better than Bass or Robinson. Nobody knows this for sure. Frankly Greene really hasn't touched the ball all that much while Robinson carried the load the last part of this year and really lead the way to ISU's two Big 12 wins. Greene has never carried the load at all and has been a career backup.

He rushed the ball only 32 times in 2006 and had zero receptions. Robinson did that in one game. There is absolutely zero proof that Greene would be better than Robinson. However, it's probably a moot point because he might not even make it back to Iowa.

However, when I look at the teams here is how I feel about them:

QB ISU: Arnaud vs Christensen: Edge: Push
We don't know what Arnaud is going to do, or even if he'll be the starter. Jake has started a full season and I think he'll be better next year.

RB ISU: ARob/Bass vs ?? Edge: Big ISU
No returning experience for Iowa

FB ISU: Ekwelundu vs Williams Edge: ???
I don't even really care here, we don't use a FB much.

WR: ISU: Sumrall, Hamilton vs.Johnson/Cleveland Edge: Push
The experience thing really doesn't shift it much to ISU. All their young guys got good experience and based on the number of JUCO WR's Chiz recruited I don't think he values our experience that much.

TE: ISU: Catlett vs. Myers Edge: Big Iowa
Moeaki and Myers are great TE's, and Catlett was an H-Back last year. We have no idea what to expect from him at the position.

OL: most back for both: Edge: ISU
Iowa's offensive line let Christenson get put on his back like Meyer in 06. Agree here.

DL: ISU: I sr gone, 2 for Iowa Edge: Iowa
Ballard and Clayborn won't be much of a dropoff for Iowa's defensive line that was very solid last year.

LB: ISU both lose 2, Edge: Iowa
Iowa returns AJ Edds who is a very solid player. I do not feel like this is a position of strength at all for ISU.

CB:ISU Bell/Singleton vs. Fletcher Edge: ISU
Bell and Singleton return with a year in the system and Iowa really only returns Fletcher and Bernsteine who didn't see a lot of time.

S: ISU Smith vs Dahlton/Greenwood Edge: Push
I like both team's young players.

Punters: ISU
Iowa's punter was terrible last year

FG: Edge: Iowa
Iowa's guys have the experience but Guyer could be very solid.

I agree with almost everything posted here.

Greene was a back up to Sims and Young. When he was in the game, he did play well, but he was rarely given a chance.

The only thing I'd argue is punter. Donahue improved 100% by mid-season. He even had 2 or 3 70+ yard punts, including an 83 yard punt that helped swing the Illinois game to Iowa's favor. Of course, for every 70+ yard punt he had, he had an 8 yarder.

I don't really want to argue punting game though, because hopefully this coming season it's not as big of a factor in the games.

[chadm]

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

I agree with almost everything posted here.

Greene was a back up to Sims and Young. When he was in the game, he did play well, but he was rarely given a chance.

The only thing I'd argue is punter. Donahue improved 100% by mid-season. He even had 2 or 3 70+ yard punts, including an 83 yard punt that helped swing the Illinois game to Iowa's favor. Of course, for every 70+ yard punt he had, he had an 8 yarder.

I don't really want to argue punting game though, because hopefully this coming season it's not as big of a factor in the games.

Iowa's punter did get a lot of game day experience.

[BryceC]

Originally Posted by Gary_ISU

I agree with most of what you said except that we do not use the FB much. Catlett caught 21 passes last year making him 5th on the team. Most of them that I remember he was lined up as a FB/HB. This really was an important position for us. Barkema caught only 18 passes. Perhaps with better o-line play we can use the TE more.

Everyone seems to have Catlett moved over to TE. Is that a guess or is it official from Chizik?

I guess I'm saying that we don't use a power fullback like #29 all that much. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mansfield or Means fill in at that H-Back position that Catlett had last year. But who knows.

[BryceC]

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

I agree with almost everything posted here.

Greene was a back up to Sims and Young. When he was in the game, he did play well, but he was rarely given a chance.

I know, I've seen Greene play. He's a good player.

But by this same thinking, I could say that Austen Arnaud was in the game, he did play well, but he really wasn't given a full chance, so he's better than Christensen. You can't have it both ways.

[wiscocyclone]

After reviewing this, I have one thought. U of Iowa sucks.