Will Ferentz get fired before season starts?

SouthernHawk · 02-24-2008, 10:45 PM

He's not going anywhere for quite some time.

Unlike some people, reasonable fans will agree that calling for the staff's firing would be very stupid.

Wx4Cy · 02-24-2008, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

He's not going anywhere for quite some time.

Unlike some people, reasonable fans will agree that calling for the staff's firing would be very stupid.

While I agree with you, it is getting a little LESS stupid with each passing day.

Cyclonesrule91 · 02-24-2008, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Wx4Cy

While I agree with you, it is getting a little LESS stupid with each passing day.

and each new arrest...

SouthernHawk · 02-24-2008, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by Wx4Cy

While I agree with you, it is getting a little LESS stupid with each passing day.

While that may be, I think we need to wait to see how he handles things this year. Last year was bad, but the guy needs time for adjustments. So far, it sounds like he's making them (Cleveland and Nelson have been indefinitely suspended).

It's ludicrous for people to turn on a guy after in his previous 8 years he lead a very clean and respectable program.

Phaedrus · 02-24-2008, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by isucyfan

I'm still working out the kinks, but I feel I have a good start on how to properly compensate KF on an incentive basis:

(Base salary)+(Endorsements)-$250,000(number of felony charges by players)-$50,000(number of misdemeanors by players)-$1,000,000(number of losses on Senior Day with a bowl game riding on it where his own players get booed)

Don't forget a bonus for getting beaten by D-II schools the last game of the season, bonus.

Phaedrus · 02-24-2008, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

While that may be, I think we need to wait to see how he handles things this year. Last year was bad, but the guy needs time for adjustments. So far, it sounds like he's making them (Cleveland and Nelson have been indefinitely suspended).

It's ludicrous for people to turn on a guy after in his previous 8 years he lead a very clean and respectable program.

Time for adjustments? and what kind of "adjustments?"

Gee, Kirkie, time to start NOT being morally vacant? I didn't know you could "adjust" for not having morals or being able to imprint them on others.

And I don't know what "clean and respectable program" you're talking about, but I've never seen it under KF.

rworkman83 · 02-24-2008, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by Phaedrus

Don't forget a bonus for getting beaten by D-II schools the last game of the season, bonus.

Western Michigan is a Division I School...

SouthernHawk · 02-24-2008, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by Phaedrus

Time for adjustments? and what kind of "adjustments?"

Gee, Kirkie, time to start NOT being morally vacant? I didn't know you could "adjust" for not having morals or being able to imprint them on others.

And I don't know what "clean and respectable program" you're talking about, but I've never seen it under KF.

I think we are seeing a "one and done" type of reaction out of the staff. Cleveland and Nelson were both indefinitely suspended for things that last year would have been a "delayed reaction" until the facts came out.

Last year was bad. But, seeing as how it's more of an anomaly than the norm, and considering Iowa was pretty clean compared to many schools around the nation before last year, I'm not ready to declare a morally bankrupt program.

People seem to forget that Iowa had very few problems before last year. There was the occasional mishap, but nothing really serious. I don't think a program all of the sudden becomes void of all morals in one year. Something happened to cause that, and something will be done to bring respectability back.

CycloneWarrior · 02-24-2008, 11:35 PM

didn't he just get a 1 year extension

jumbopackage · 02-24-2008, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by scottie33

When does the NCAA step in to this problem at Iowa City?? I don't know if they can or if they will, but something needs to be done, because that place is getting corrupt and he's got things out of control over there.

The NCAA has nothing to do with any of that. You could field a team full of murderers, as long as they academically qualified and you didn't recruit them illegally.

mwitt · 02-25-2008, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

I think we are seeing a "one and done" type of reaction out of the staff. Cleveland and Nelson were both indefinitely suspended for things that last year would have been a "delayed reaction" until the facts came out.

Isn't it kind of hard to say that he's implementing a one and done policy since these are repeat offenders?

And it's not like he dismissed them from the team. He suspended them indefinitely until he could "review the facts." In other words, it's that delayed reaction that you speak of.

Phaedrus · 02-25-2008, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

I think we are seeing a "one and done" type of reaction out of the staff. Cleveland and Nelson were both indefinitely suspended for things that last year would have been a "delayed reaction" until the facts came out.

Like the above poster stated, "suspended" is a "delayed reaction". Kind of like the "reported but unacknowledge rape investigation" that is going nowhere.

Last year was bad. But, seeing as how it's more of an anomaly than the norm, and considering Iowa was pretty clean compared to many schools around the nation before last year, I'm not ready to declare a morally bankrupt program.

"Spin, spin, spin goes the dradle...."

People seem to forget that Iowa had very few problems before last year. There was the occasional mishap, but nothing really serious. I don't think a program all of the sudden becomes void of all morals in one year. Something happened to cause that, and something will be done to bring respectability back.

I'll have to add that last one to the "your favorite Iowa Misbehavior Excuse thread".

Thanks!

MontyBurns · 02-25-2008, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

I think we are seeing a "one and done" type of reaction out of the staff. Cleveland and Nelson were both indefinitely suspended for things that last year would have been a "delayed reaction" until the facts came out.

What exactly is the difference between suspending football players in February vs. a "delayed reaction"?

And if there's a one-and-done policy, why did Kirk just welcome a convicted thief back to his team???

SouthernHawk · 02-25-2008, 01:47 AM

Originally Posted by MontyBurns

What exactly is the difference between suspending football players in February vs. a "delayed reaction"?

And if there's a one-and-done policy, why did Kirk just welcome a convicted thief back to his team???

I'll try to explain this as simply as possible.

Indefinite suspension = off the team until all the facts come out. If indeed the player is guilty as charged, they likely will not be back on the team.

There is no spin, this is just how it is.

MontyBurns · 02-25-2008, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

I'll try to explain this as simply as possible.

Indefinite suspension = off the team until all the facts come out. If indeed the player is guilty as charged, they likely will not be back on the team.

There is no spin, this is just how it is.

You wrote that they were suspended whereas it would have been just a "delayed reaction" last year (20 arrests ago).

You didn't answer my question. It's February -- there are no practices and no games -- so what exactly is the difference between a suspension and a "delayed reaction"?

I wouldn't bet against them playing again, guilty or not. People said the same thing about the credit card thieves, and one of them - who pled guilty by the way - was just welcomed back to the team.