A Chaplain for the Iowa Football team?

[SouthernHawk]

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

Your story changes on this stuff more often than Hawk FB players get arrested - if that's possible.

Which is it? Guaranteed they had nothing to do with it? Highly doubt it?

Big difference there...

No, there isn't a big difference in what I've said. I've stuck by my opinion throughout this debate. The fact that it has come down to nit-picky things like "yeah, well you're obviously wrong because instead of guaranteeing, you're only highly doubting something...." means this argument is over. Nobody is going to be right or wrong, I was just letting my opinion known.

This really isn't a big deal. I just find it very hard to believe that the Regents have had this much to do with what's been going on in Iowa City. And, judging by their willingness to come out and let it known what they are doing to flaunt their power when it comes to university control, the lack of anything in the media from them on this subject leads me to believe (and many others) that maybe, just maybe, the Iowa program is actually doing something right without needing their hands held.

I'm sure this post will be nit-picked as well. It would be nice if these arguments for once came down to point vs. point rather than "Nuh uh, now you're just changing your story!" when that's obviously not the case.

[SouthernHawk]

Originally Posted by ketelmeister

I have personally talked with seven of the nine Regents on several occasions, and exchanged messeges with the other two. Believe it or not, I know what I'm talking about. If you don't believe this action was because of Regent pressure, you are living on the wrong planet. There is genuine anamosity from at least three of the Regents, (I can name names if you want) by the way Iowa has handled the athletic department. They have the ultimate power over the universities. The power of the purse. NO project can move forward without their approval. If Iowa has these grandious plans for Carver, they don't have a prayer of moving ahead unless they clean up their act. They can't remodel the toilets without the Regents approval. I firmly believe that the hiring of a Chaplin (which is what the new position is) is a good step for Iowa. But not something they wanted to do. And Ferentz was forced to kick players off. He would not have based on past actions. It's a garbage dump over there and it needs to be cleaned up.

I guess I expect to hear more about this in the future then. With the way the Regents have advertised their power in the past, I'm sure they'll let it be known that they forced Ferentz to kick players off the team, hire a Team Mentor (not Chaplin), and etc...

Of course, they threatened to not give Carver a face lift if they didn't get their way.

Edit: Actually, one last thing. I'd like to know more about their pressure on the Iowa AD. Because, the Regents aren't allowed to do anything in terms of forcing a new hire, requesting student athletes removal of a team, or anything else of that nature without a public meeting.

In searching through the agendas for the past 5 months, I've found nothing stating anything about "Request for Student Athletes to be removed from team", or "Request for new staff position at University of Iowa Athletics".

If the Regents did indeed have a hand in forcing any of these measures, it would be available in public record. And it's not. So yes, I would like the names of those Regents that have supposedly single handily forced these major changes at the Iowa program. I'm curious as to how this is all working. I'm sure they wouldn't object to an e-mail asking them a few questions about the situation. I mean, if they're as open and willing to give out this info as it sounds, I'm sure they'll be glad to share it.

[cycloneryan]

I think introducing them to the Iowa City atmosphere is the problem. I actually don't think they should hire a chaplain, the more trouble the players get into means more suspensions, which means a better chance of beating them in the fall.

[ketelmeister]

Congratulations Southern Hawk, you have turned into a full-fledged Iowa Hawkeye Supporter. You won't let the facts stand in the way of your blind love of a corrupt program, you profess to be interested in what people have to say, then trash anyone who disagrees with your stilted Hawkeye viewpoint and it seems your single purpose in life has become to defend an Iowa football program that has proven it will do anything to try to win, even if it means cheating the rules, at the expense of others lives. I can't understand why you bother being on this board. You fit much better on the Hawkeye boards. They are full of people like you who see only one side, the Hawk side, and are blinded by the facts and don't want to acknowledge that anyone could possibly be right except them. What I like about Cyclone Fanatic is that people do listen to others, have a genuine love of Iowa State athletics and are certainly a cut above the norms for insight and intelligence. Initially, you seemed to want to be a part of that. Now, you only seem to want to be negative and disrespect what others are saying. It's too bad.

[Cyclonesrule91]

Originally Posted by ketelmeister

Congratulations Southern Hawk, you have turned into a full-fledged Iowa Hawkeye Supporter. You won't let the facts stand in the way of your blind love of a corrupt program, you profess to be interested in what people have to say, then trash anyone who disagrees with your stilted Hawkeye viewpoint and it seems your single purpose in life has become to defend an Iowa football program that has proven it will do anything to try to win, even if it means cheating the rules, at the expense of others lives. I can't understand why you bother being on this board. You fit much better on the Hawkeye boards. They are full of people like you who see only one side, the Hawk side, and are blinded by the facts and don't want to acknowledge that anyone could possibly be right except them. What I like about Cyclone Fanatic is that people do listen to others, have a genuine love of Iowa State athletics and are certainly a cut above the norms for insight and intelligence. Initially, you seemed to want to be a part of that. Now, you only seem to want to be negative and disrespect what others are saying. It's too bad.

Tell me you aren't just NOW figuring this out!!! Said poster has proved to be the typical EIU fan in his BLIND faith in a corrupt program. Reality isn't an option with these people....

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Cyclonesrule91

Tell me you aren't just NOW figuring this out!!! Said poster has proved to be the typical EIU fan in his BLIND faith in a corrupt program. Reality isn't an option with these people....

As further evidence that our misguided Hawk devotee flunks the reality test, he thinks that people will "nitpick" his latest ramblings. Unfortunately, this assumes that the opinions are based on valid points with only minor embellishments of what is truly happening.

Sadly, the reality of how the Iowa Athletic Program has operated isn't the only issue that he fails to grasp. He evidently also has no concept of how those who have power and control the pursestrings often choose to work behind the scenes to exert their influence and make sure that their wishes are met.

[DJKHawk]

Originally Posted by ketelmeister

Congratulations Southern Hawk, you have turned into a full-fledged Iowa Hawkeye Supporter. You won't let the facts stand in the way of your blind love of a corrupt program, you profess to be interested in what people have to say, then trash anyone who disagrees with your stilted Hawkeye viewpoint and it seems your single purpose in life has become to defend an Iowa football program that has proven it will do anything to try to win, even if it means cheating the rules, at the expense of others lives. I can't understand why you bother being on this board. You fit much better on the Hawkeye boards. They are full of people like you who see only one side, the Hawk side, and are blinded by the facts and don't want to acknowledge that anyone could possibly be right except them. What I like about Cyclone Fanatic is that people do listen to others, have a genuine love of Iowa State athletics and are certainly a cut above the norms for insight and intelligence. Initially, you seemed to want to be a part of that. Now, you only seem to want to be negative and disrespect what others are saying. It's too bad.

LOL ... facts? Where? You claimed to have talked to the Iowa Regents, and now that SH wants a few of those names you said you would name, you attempt to make fun of him for being a Hawk fan.

I go on and on about the hypocrisy in this post above, but I'll pass. I just think it's quite entertaining about how you choose to do this instead of giving him those names he asked for ....

[MontyBurns]

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

If the Regents did indeed have a hand in forcing any of these measures, it would be available in public record. And it's not. So yes, I would like the names of those Regents that have supposedly single handily forced these major changes at the Iowa program. I'm curious as to how this is all working. I'm sure they wouldn't object to an e-mail asking them a few questions about the situation. I mean, if they're as open and willing to give out this info as it sounds, I'm sure they'll be glad to share it.

I gather you've never been in the military or probably not even had a job. There is something called a chain of command. The Regents do not micromanage athletic programs or individual employees. If they want something changed in the Iowa football program, they talk to Sally Mason, the President of the U of I, and the only U of I employee who is directly accountable to the Board. She talks to the Athletic Director (who is accountable to her). The Athletic Director talks to the Head Coach (who is accountable to him). If the Regents want something done (present someone's head on a platter as a scapegoat, hire an in-house police/probation officer, etc.), the word is passed down the chain of command. Individual communications between the Board Chairman or his designee and the University President, or between the University President and AD, or between the AD and Head Coach, are not a matter of public record.

[Cyclonesrule91]

Originally Posted by DJKHawk

LOL ... facts? Where? You claimed to have talked to the Iowa Regents, and now that SH wants a few of those names you said you would name, you attempt to make fun of him for being a Hawk fan.

I go on and on about the hypocrisy in this post above, but I'll pass. I just think it's quite entertaining about how you choose to do this instead of giving him those names he asked for ....

Another comment from another typical hawk fan. Like it matters if he gets the names and ketelmeister picks him up and drives him over to see each regent himself, Soha would still only hear what he wants to here and come up with another stupid excuse, or most likely repeat AGAIN his same arguments used over and over. I can hear it now.

A. Ya they did make some demands on EIU admin to clean up there program, but no demands were made that have not been made at ISU admin and recently too.

B. He talked to the guy who not only had the same name, address, and birthdate as a regent, but there are plenty of other people with same name, address and birthdate that he can't be sure he talked to the actual regent.

C. He did talk to the regent and the regents told him they were concerned but they have talked to FreeRentz enough to realize that he will not put up with another arrest because he has run a clean program up until now and anyone arrested will be kicked off the team. The regent also told him that the same arrests and "kids being kids" goes on all over the US and they are watching ISU too because ISU has had plenty of arrests. Oh and did I mention that is goes on at ISU too??

D. FreeRentz does NOT put up with behavior like this and will never give a player a second chance, unless his stats tell him to give him as many chances as needed. It goes on everywhere, and did I mention it happens at ISU too?????

Oh the spin control. Hopefully reality and common sense will set in at some point as SoHa matures. But, then again, it won't matter because if he matures and gains common sense and starts seeing reality in situations he comes across, he will be a Cyclone fan and will make fun of his past.....

[DJKHawk]

Originally Posted by Cyclonesrule91

Another comment from another typical hawk fan.

Um ... sure. However, from what I've read here at CycloneFanatic over the last couple months, the rest of your post could very easily be classified as the "typical Cyclone response."

[SouthernHawk]

Originally Posted by ketelmeister

Congratulations Southern Hawk, you have turned into a full-fledged Iowa Hawkeye Supporter. You won't let the facts stand in the way of your blind love of a corrupt program, you profess to be interested in what people have to say, then trash anyone who disagrees with your stilted Hawkeye viewpoint and it seems your single purpose in life has become to defend an Iowa football program that has proven it will do anything to try to win, even if it means cheating the rules, at the expense of others lives. I can't understand why you bother being on this board. You fit much better on the Hawkeye boards. They are full of people like you who see only one side, the Hawk side, and are blinded by the facts and don't want to acknowledge that anyone could possibly be right except them. What I like about Cyclone Fanatic is that people do listen to others, have a genuine love of Iowa State athletics and are certainly a cut above the norms for insight and intelligence. Initially, you seemed to want to be a part of that. Now, you only seem to want to be negative and disrespect what others are saying. It's too bad.

Right, well all I asked for was the facts. You offered the names, and I'm interested in hearing which Regents it was that "forced" these changes in the program.

And actually, I think I've been pretty respectful on this board. I don't bad mouth any members, and for the most part, I receive a lot of respect. That's why I post here. I don't see how my responses were any worse than some of the replies to my posts, even though apparently they turned me into a "typical Hawk fan". I, like others, am basing my posts on my opinion and what I see, which is no more right or wrong than anybody else. I targeted your posts because you claim to have all of this insider informatioin, and if that is indeed true, I'd like to know more about the situation so I can speak more knowledgably about it.

Originally Posted by Steve

As further evidence that our misguided Hawk devotee flunks the reality test, he thinks that people will "nitpick" his latest ramblings. Unfortunately, this assumes that the opinions are based on valid points with only minor embellishments of what is truly happening.

Sadly, the reality of how the Iowa Athletic Program has operated isn't the only issue that he fails to grasp. He evidently also has no concept of how those who have power and control the pursestrings often choose to work behind the scenes to exert their influence and make sure that their wishes are met.

Originally Posted by MontyBurns

I gather you've never been in the military or probably not even had a job. There is something called a chain of command. The Regents do not micromanage athletic programs or individual employees. If they want something changed in the Iowa football program, they talk to Sally Mason, the President of the U of I, and the only U of I employee who is directly accountable to the Board. She talks to the Athletic Director (who is accountable to her). The Athletic Director talks to the Head Coach (who is accountable to him). If the Regents want something done (present someone's head on a platter as a scapegoat, hire an in-house police/probation officer, etc.), the word is passed down the chain of command. Individual communications between the Board Chairman or his designee and the University President, or between the University President and AD, or between the AD and Head Coach, are not a matter of public record.

I'll address both of these together.

The entire point of this thread is that the Regents forced the U of I to hire a person to watch over the athletes. If the three Regents in question spoke with Sally Mason, which is now the popular story of what happened, that's fine. In fact, that's what one of my earlier responses in this thread said. Could the Regents have said, "We'd like things to improve around here"? Sure, in fact, this will be my third post acknowledging that this may be the case.

However, here are my issues with all of this. The Regents did not force Ferentz to hire a Team Mentor. They did not force him to boot these kids off the team. They did not threaten to cut off funding for Carver renovations.

The fact that no evidence has been provided to support these claims, how is it any more acceptable to believe that the Regents did anything more than request action? I am well aware how these things work, and they cannot force anything unless they have a public meeting stating their intent. And since there is no record of such meeting, and there is no evidence of any pressure by the Regents from the source of these claims, I think my point is that much more valid.

[cycloneryan]

It is getting heated in here, I like it.

[ketelmeister]

Since I first talked to the Regents who told me they were upset with the Iowa football program and were going to do something about it, these events have happened.
Ferentz kicks players off who he initially reinstated....
Ferentz kicks off a walkon for too much alcohol, though others are on the team with the same charge
Ferentz hired an asst. coach that who's main duty is player conduct
Ferentz now wants a Chaplin (life skills)
Quite frankly, no matter what anyone says, or who says it, some will find a way to dispel it.
I've said for sometime that the Iowa football program was reacting to pressure, (and yes, Regents put pressure on, they do not direct the program. The have the ultimate pressure, the power of the purse) and Iowa is reacting. There will be more to come.
(and don't forget the new and improved curfew for Hawkeye players. After doing nothing for years, now all this at once? It's not just a coincidence)

[SouthernHawk]

Originally Posted by ketelmeister

Since I first talked to the Regents who told me they were upset with the Iowa football program and were going to do something about it, these events have happened.
Ferentz kicks players off who he initially reinstated....
Ferentz kicks off a walkon for too much alcohol, though others are on the team with the same charge
Ferentz hired an asst. coach that who's main duty is player conduct
Ferentz now wants a Chaplin (life skills)
Quite frankly, no matter what anyone says, or who says it, some will find a way to dispel it.
I've said for sometime that the Iowa football program was reacting to pressure, (and yes, Regents put pressure on, they do not direct the program. The have the ultimate pressure, the power of the purse) and Iowa is reacting. There will be more to come.

Right, so you have no facts, you're just making parallels. It is my opinion that while these three Regents (to be named) may have let their displeasure be known to Sally Mason, as far as we can tell, they had no direct influence on the current progress made by the football team.

It's easy to say "Yeah, if something more happens, I promise you that it will be a result of pressure from the Regents."

In fact, it's easy to say that some time in the future, the sun will rise.

So, until there is actually proof that the Regents actually forced things to move forward, the progress can be credited to Ferentz, Barta, and others involved in the program. Again, no public records of the Regents forcing Ferentz to kick players off the team (remember, only Bowman was re-instated, and did not follow through with what was expected of him, and is now off the team), no public records of the Regents asking for a mentor to be hired for the team.

Also, I'd like to point out that three Regent members does not mean they are speaking for the majority. If in fact they did complain to Mason, they were speaking on behalf of themselves, and not the voice of the entire Board. If they were speaking on behalf of the Board, again, there would be record of it.

[MontyBurns]

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

So, until there is actually proof that the Regents actually forced things to move forward, the progress can be credited to Ferentz, Barta, and others involved in the program.

Why do you need proof? You informed all of us that the Regents have nothing to do with Iowa football. In fact you guaranteed it. Now you want proof that your guarantee is wrong?

I guess a "SouthernHawk guarantee" is worth less than we thought...if that's possible.