Another Hawk off the football team?

BryceC · 03-31-2008, 02:58 PM

It's not like we're all that far removed from loads of trouble under McCarney either. We're going to get our comeuppins eventually.

isucyfan · 03-31-2008, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

That may be a little extreme. How do you explain ISU's turnover in basketball then? Yeah, I know, new coach, but this is his 3rd year now, and there's been yet another player tranferring.

Yes, but the transferring we have been experiencing has not been to a correctional institution.

SouthernHawk · 03-31-2008, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by isucyfan

Yes, but the transferring we have been experiencing has not been to a correctional institution.

Considering Pugh is also supposedly transferring...

I know Iowa City has a reputation as being this "black hole" of all morality, but as somebody who's spent the better part of a year experiencing both IC and Ames, they aren't that different. The party scene is a bit more active, but let's be honest, there's a good amount of that going on here too.

Iowa City is just like a giant Welch Avenue... with 19+ bars instead of 21+

keepngoal · 03-31-2008, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

That may be a little extreme. How do you explain ISU's turnover in basketball then? Yeah, I know, new coach, but this is his 3rd year now, and there's been yet another player tranferring.

I haven't seen a main contributor (or potential main contributor) leave in some time. But to compare the UofI's football turnover to the ISU MBB one... is laughable. Seriously.. you really want to go down the road as to who/what/why left ISU MBB versus UofI FB?

And extreme? they 'sell' IC on it's culture, nightlife, etc to recruits ... who doesn't. The problem? IC nightlife is out of control along with its culture .... (uh-oh, political talk sorry) and the athletes fit right in.

isucyfan · 03-31-2008, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

Considering Pugh is also supposedly transferring...

I know Iowa City has a reputation as being this "black hole" of all morality, but as somebody who's spent the better part of a year experiencing both IC and Ames, they aren't that different. The party scene is a bit more active, but let's be honest, there's a good amount of that going on here too.

Iowa City is just like a giant Welch Avenue... with 19+ bars instead of 21+

I know that Pugh is transferring without having been arrested, but the majority of the attrition is not just because they want to go to a different program...they were forced to leave due to legal issues.

I'm not saying that this can't or doesn't happen at ISU, because it does, but the MBB program, with the exception of Mike Taylor, is experiencing attrition for far different reasons than the Iowa FB program. You tried to compare the two, and I think it's apples and oranges.

SouthernHawk · 03-31-2008, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by keepngoal

I haven't seen a main contributor (or potential main contributor) leave in some time. But to compare the UofI's football turnover to the ISU MBB one... is laughable. Seriously.. you really want to go down the road as to who/what/why left ISU MBB versus UofI FB?

And extreme? they 'sell' IC on it's culture, nightlife, etc to recruits ... who doesn't. The problem? IC nightlife is out of control along with its culture .... (uh-oh, political talk sorry) and the athletes fit right in.

I really don't want to start another huge thing, because I've been involved in one too many of those lately. But anyways...

I'm strictly talking player turnover. A comment was made about how Iowa has so many players leaving, which is true (to a point). However, the football team has had probably just as many players transfer as the ISU basketball team has. This isn't about why these players left, because we all know the reason 90% of the football players are now moving on.

And the IC night life is out of control? Have you spent time in Iowa City for a long period of time? It's a college town. There is more drinking than the average college town, but it's hardly one of the worst in the nation. Just thinking Big Ten schools (because I know more about those cities than I know of Big 12 cities), IC ranks behind Minneapolis, Maddison, East Lansing, and Bloomington in terms of night life/part scene.

The culture is not "out of control" in Iowa City. There are bad apples that are out of control, and they are players (hopefully) no longer with the football team.

isucyfan · 03-31-2008, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

I'm strictly talking player turnover. A comment was made about how Iowa has so many players leaving, which is true (to a point). However, the football team has had probably just as many players transfer as the ISU basketball team has. This isn't about why these players left, because we all know the reason 90% of the football players are now moving on.

I think it does make a difference. Most of ISU's transfers are leaving on their own terms, and most of the Iowa FB players are leaving on terms out of their hands. (Those terms are usually 1-3 years.

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SouthernHawk · 03-31-2008, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by keepngoal

I haven't seen a main contributor (or potential main contributor) leave in some time. But to compare the UofI's football turnover to the ISU MBB one... is laughable. Seriously.. you really want to go down the road as to who/what/why left ISU MBB versus UofI FB?

And extreme? they 'sell' IC on it's culture, nightlife, etc to recruits ... who doesn't. The problem? IC nightlife is out of control along with its culture .... (uh-oh, political talk sorry) and the athletes fit right in.

Originally Posted by isucyfan

I think it does make a difference. Most of ISU's transfers are leaving on their own terms, and most of the Iowa FB players are leaving on terms out of their hands. (Those terms are usually 1-3 years.)

I don't get it, they're signing NFL contracts for 1-3 years? I mean, that would be a difference in Iowa and ISU!

*prepares for negative rep bombardment*

It was worth it ;)

BryceC · 03-31-2008, 03:18 PM

Frankly I really don't think IC has that bigger of a problem than Ames. People are blowing this way out of proportion. It wasn't long ago that we were running off Hooks and Nash, Tyese Thompson, etc etc. I like the way Chizik has handled his arrest problems so far but we have no idea what could be happening behind the scenes or whatever.

isucyfan · 03-31-2008, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

I don't get it, they're signing NFL contracts for 1-3 years? I mean, that would be a difference in Iowa and ISU!

*prepares for negative rep bombardment*

It was worth it ;)

ZING! In case you really didn't understand, I meant prison terms.

I forgot for a moment that you have to really explain things slowly to Hawk fans.

keepngoal · 03-31-2008, 03:31 PM

See, I have lived in both (well N. Liberty and Southern CR) and spent lots of times in meat markets at both cities.

If I was all about 'getting it on' and finding some 'meat', I would choose IC over Ames everyday of the rest of my life. The possibilities were endless in IC and the number of fights/scrapes I saw in IC out numbered Ames almost 10 fold.

College is college, but in IC it is the way of life. And that is the way has been for a long time... what changed, is the polices attitude about looking the other way when Fry, Gable, Stringer and Tom/George/Lute were in town. When UofI sports hit their peak with the above coaches, the good times in IC night life were insane... but you better have watched your back.

This isn't a flame on IC, as I enjoyed it many times before meeting my wife in CR. But, rather a first hand account and then opinion on the trouble the UofI now finds itself.

-keep.

Cyclone711 · 03-31-2008, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

Considering Pugh is also supposedly transferring...

I know Iowa City has a reputation as being this "black hole" of all morality, but as somebody who's spent the better part of a year experiencing both IC and Ames, they aren't that different. The party scene is a bit more active, but let's be honest, there's a good amount of that going on here too.

Iowa City is just like a giant Welch Avenue... with 19+ bars instead of 21+

It took me till the 3rd page to realize that was you posting all the time SouthernHawk. I always remember people by their avatars and not their screen names, screws with my head.

ISU4ME · 03-31-2008, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by isucyfan

Trying to keep track of all the arrests/suspensions/rumors, etc. is about like trying to memorize pi to the 400th digit.

I only memorized it to the 500th digit and yes you are correct it was easier to memorize Pi to the 500th digit than keep track of the arrest record of the hawks

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3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208 99862803482534211706798214808651328230664709384460955058223172535940812848111745 02841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831 65271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588 17488152092096282925409171536436789259036001133053054882046652138414695194151160 94330572703657595919530921861173819326117931051185480744623799627495673518857527 2489122793818301194912

balken · 03-31-2008, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by ISU4ME

I only memorized it to the 500th digit and yes you are correct it was easier to memorize Pi to the 500th digit than keep track of the arrest record of the hawks -

3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208 99862803482534211706798214808651328230664709384460955058223172535940812848111745 02841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831 65271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588 17488152092096282925409171536436789259036001133053054882046652138414695194151160 94330572703657595919530921861173819326117931051185480744623799627495673518857527 2489122793818301194912

You may want to recheck your numbers, I believe that the correct answer is actually as follows:

3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208 99862803482534211706798214808651328230664709384460955058223172535940812848111745 02841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831 65271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588 17488152092096282925409171536436789259036001133053054882046652138414695194151160 94330572703657595919530921861173819326117931051185480744623799627495673518857527 2489122793818301194912

SouthernHawk · 03-31-2008, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclone711

It took me till the 3rd page to realize that was you posting all the time SouthernHawk. I always remember people by their avatars and not their screen names, screws with my head.

I decided to put this wonderful work of art (MontyBurns (tm)) to use.