Iowa Wrestling Strength Coach in the news

cybsball20 · 04-12-2008, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by sodakjoe

What are the rules on tests for college athletes? Can they be tested by the NCAA?

MOST tests are done by the school, thats how guys like Talib can get off calling it 'breaking team rules'. There are also tests given before ever championship and 'random' tests done by the NCAA. Some conferences also do their own random tests... In all there are VERY few tests done. In my two years we probably had 8 tests done and it was the same few guys most of the time.

MontyBurns · 04-12-2008, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by sodakjoe

What are the rules on tests for college athletes? Can they be tested by the NCAA?

Yes, but this guy is not a college athlete. He's a coach.

He failed his drug test when competing in an international competition which had nothing to do with Iowa or the NCAA.

But one whould expect a strength coach to know the rules regarding illegal performance-enhancing drugs.

CycloneErik · 04-12-2008, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by MontyBurns

Yes, but this guy is not a college athlete. He's a coach.

He failed his drug test when competing in an international competition which had nothing to do with Iowa or the NCAA.

But one whould expect a strength coach to know the rules regarding illegal performance-enhancing drugs.

Let's think about this: Hawkeye coach, reading problem, study participant? Wait, wrong thread

sodakjoe · 04-12-2008, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by MontyBurns

Yes, but this guy is not a college athlete. He's a coach.

He failed his drug test when competing in an international competition which had nothing to do with Iowa or the NCAA.

But one whould expect a strength coach to know the rules regarding illegal performance-enhancing drugs.

I'm aware he's a coach. I was asking because it seems that if a strength and conditioning coach has an issue with performance enhancing drugs, then logic would dictate the athletes should probably be tested. If they test before championships, as suggested above, then there shouldn't be any problems in that regard.

DJKHawk · 04-12-2008, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by sodakjoe

... it has something to do with muscle building, ...

A quick Google search confirms that this is false. I found this at the same site that another guy (who, apparently, mentioned earlier that the drug in question helps with muscle growth) posted info from:

Side effects

Muscle wasting and weakness

Somehow I doubt that this "steriod" has anything to do with gaining muscle mass ...

CycloneErik · 04-12-2008, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by DJKHawk

A quick Google search confirms that this is false. I found this at the same site that another guy posted info from:

Side effects
Muscle wasting and weakness

Somehow I doubt that this "steriod" has anything to do with gaining muscle mass ...

Hey, now. Don't try to ruin our fun here with facts.

keepngoal · 04-12-2008, 08:05 PM

doesn't matter what it is/was used for... he USED a BANNED substance, broke the rules.

Why is the important question.

1. didn't know that it was banned.
2. Tried to get away with it.

Both answers don't shine well on the UofI. you have either a know-nothing trainer or a cheater.

-keep

jmb · 04-12-2008, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by DJKHawk

Jesus you guys are really reaching with this one. It's used to treat skin conditions; it has nothing to do with muscle building (which is the common perception that comes with the word "steriods"). Monty, you're just being ignorant if you really think this is an issue.

Benzoyl peroxide is used to treat skin conditions and it isn't on the prohibited list. Why is it so hard to understand drugs that are used for certain "conditions" also positivley impact/ENHANCE performance. If it was a needed drug he could have gotten a MEDICAL WAIVER and he didn't which he goes to show he is either cheating or ignorant and the punishment is warranted. Like it or not this only fuels the perception out of Iowa City-cheating or stupidity either way inexcusable.

I am very aware, as a Ironman distance triathlete, every single thing I consume and I am not an elite competitor. Zadick is flying the American flag and should at the very least be smarter than a flag. Good greif get a grip, cheating is a very real issue at this level and as such stupidity isn't a defense.

jmb

DJKHawk · 04-12-2008, 08:11 PM

You're right keep, he did use a banned substance. I'm not refuting this, so I don't even know why you're bringing it up. I'm simply pointing out that a statement such as "it's used for muscle-enhancement purposes" is false.

Obviously, I don't know what he was thinking when he was using the substance without an exemption. I would hope that he had the best intentions in doing so, but I guess the words "University of Iowa" and "best intentions" haven't gone so well together in recent memory.

CycloneErik · 04-12-2008, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by jmb

Benzoyl peroxide is used to treat skin conditions and it isn't on the prohibited list. Why is it so hard to understand drugs that are used for certain "conditions" also positivley impact/ENHANCE performance. If it was a needed drug he could have gotten a MEDICAL WAIVER and he didn't which he goes to show he is either cheating or ignorant and the punishment is warranted. Like it or not this only fuels the perception out of Iowa City-cheating or stupidity either way inexcusable.

I am very aware, as a Ironman distance triathlete, every single thing I consume and I am not an elite competitor. Zadick is flying the American flag and should at the very least be smarter than a flag. Good greif get a grip, cheating is a very real issue at this level and as such stupidity isn't a defense.

jmb

Are you trying to hint that he should also be aware of the rules, given the much greater visibility that performance-enhanced cheating has been given by the media as of late? Maybe, just maybe, a guy wouldn't want his name attached to this sort of thing?

And, maybe, just maybe, a man in a profession that talks about building the character of the young men that they train, might just want to be a better role model to them than a cheater would be?

Crazy idea.

keepngoal · 04-12-2008, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by DJKHawk

Obviously, I don't know what he was thinking when he was using the substance without an exemption. I would hope that he had the best intentions in doing so, but I guess the words "University of Iowa" and "best intentions" haven't gone so well together in recent memory.

QFT.

The question that he needs to answer is WHY. And I think either answer, doesn't bode well for the perceptions of the UofI.

-keep

keepngoal · 04-12-2008, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by DJKHawk

I'm simply pointing out that a statement such as "it's used for muscle-enhancement purposes" is false.

But it COULD be used to enhance... isn't that why it is banned? If not, why is it banned/

-keep

jmb · 04-12-2008, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneErik

Are you trying to hint that he should also be aware of the rules, given the much greater visibility that performance-enhanced cheating has been given by the media as of late? Maybe, just maybe, a guy wouldn't want his name attached to this sort of thing?

And, maybe, just maybe, a man in a profession that talks about building the character of the young men that they train, might just want to be a better role model to them than a cheater would be?

Crazy idea.

You have quoted me here-are you asking me a question? What about my post are you taking exception to/with?

jmb · 04-12-2008, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by DJKHawk

You're right keep, he did use a banned substance. I'm not refuting this, so I don't even know why you're bringing it up. I'm simply pointing out that a statement such as "it's used for muscle-enhancement purposes" is false.

Obviously, I don't know what he was thinking when he was using the substance without an exemption. I would hope that he had the best intentions in doing so, but I guess the words "University of Iowa" and "best intentions" haven't gone so well together in recent memory.

Dude I think you are splitting the proverbial hair here. There are other reasons drugs are banned beyond muscle enhancement. Drugs are banned because they improve performance in a variety of ways from EPO, to until recently caffeine. Some drugs are banned because they are masking drugs, some because they help with concentration, lung functionality etc.

So to choke on the gnats *** here because it isn't a muscle enhancer simply highlights that you don't understand the impact of drugs on sport. Regardless Zadick is a cheater, and your university employs him in a capacity that could negativley impact student-athletes. Great culture they are fostering in IC.

j

Steve · 04-12-2008, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by DJKHawk

You're right keep, he did use a banned substance. I'm not refuting this, so I don't even know why you're bringing it up. I'm simply pointing out that a statement such as "it's used for muscle-enhancement purposes" is false.

Obviously, I don't know what he was thinking when he was using the substance without an exemption. I would hope that he had the best intentions in doing so, but I guess the words "University of Iowa" and "best intentions" haven't gone so well together in recent memory.

There is probably a simple explanation. Most treatments for skin care look like either "the cream" or "the clear".