EIU Raising Their Average (The Apple Debate)

clone2011 · 04-24-2008, 06:05 PM

Now up to 15 in 12 months.

Iowa football: Lineman becomes 15th Hawkeye to be charged in past year | DesMoinesRegister.com | The Des Moines Register

I know it's just a PAULA, but good grief. I know most college kids drink, heck I've partied with some of our FB players, but it's not that hard to not get caught.

ketelmeister · 04-24-2008, 06:19 PM

Not a big deal...but sure is not what the Hawks need right now. They are under the microscope.

SouthernHawk · 04-24-2008, 06:24 PM

I bet the Regents are going to have Ferentz fired now. Afterall, it's his fault that a college kid got caught drinking.

scottie33 · 04-24-2008, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

I bet the Regents are going to have Ferentz fired now. Afterall, it's his fault that a college kid got caught drinking.

I don't think that's the case...there is only so much he can do as a coach to tell these kids what he expects of them. Then it's up to them to fulfill his expectations.

SouthernHawk · 04-24-2008, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by scottie33

I don't think that's the case...there is only so much he can do as a coach to tell these kids what he expects of them. Then it's up to them to fulfill his expectations.

I just wanted to be the first one to make a comment like that.

The kid deserves to miss a few games, and extra work-outs etc...

But like the original poster stated, he's partied with some of ISU's football players, so it's not a new issue.

ketelmeister · 04-24-2008, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

I bet the Regents are going to have Ferentz fired now. Afterall, it's his fault that a college kid got caught drinking.

You have to admit, this is not a plus after recent events. And if you think even though this is minor it will go unnoticed, you are wrong. I already said it not a big deal, but I wouldn't jump for joy about it either.

clone2011 · 04-24-2008, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

I bet the Regents are going to have Ferentz fired now. Afterall, it's his fault that a college kid got caught drinking.

My experience with this board tells me that SH is being sarcastic and mocking those who truly believe Ferentz will be fired over this.

Ferentz won't be fired for a few PAULAs. But, IMO, there's some message that clearly has not gotten through to his players that they are representing their university, they are role models (like it or not), etc.

SouthernHawk · 04-24-2008, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by ketelmeister

You have to admit, this is not a plus after recent events. And if you think even though this is minor it will go unnoticed, you are wrong. I already said it not a big deal, but I wouldn't jump for joy about it either.

I'm not jumping for joy. And I'm sure he'll be punished accordingly.

IcSyU · 04-24-2008, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

I just wanted to be the first one to make a comment like that.

The kid deserves to miss a few games, and extra work-outs etc...

But like the original poster stated, he's partied with some of ISU's football players, so it's not a new issue.

My question is was he doing something incredibly stupid to get written up? Parties get busted all the time in Ames, but they never cite anyone unless they're doing something stupid.

SouthernHawk · 04-24-2008, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by clone2011

My experience with this board tells me that SH is being sarcastic and mocking those who truly believe Ferentz will be fired over this.

This made me laugh. A lot. I don't know why. Rep to you.

Ferentz won't be fired for a few PAULAs. But, IMO, there's some message that clearly has not gotten through to his players that they are representing their university, they are role models (like it or not), etc.[/

College kids are going to drink. Simple as that. The problem is, bars are 19+ in Iowa City. The fact of the matter is, it's much easier to bust a bunch of underage kids at a bar than it is to bust them at a house party.

It's a novel concept, I know. I was really disappointed that the people of Iowa City voted against the age increase.

SouthernHawk · 04-24-2008, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by IcSyU

My question is was he doing something incredibly stupid to get written up? Parties get busted all the time in Ames, but they never cite anyone unless they're doing something stupid.

I hate to say this - and I'm sure I'll get called out for it, but whatever.

The difference is that in Iowa City, if an underage kid is caught with alcohol, they are written up. Regardless of how stupid they were being. I've seen people ID'd and ticketed walking down the street carrying a 12 pack.

In Ames, the police are quite a bit easier on that sort of thing.

clone2011 · 04-24-2008, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

I hate to say this - and I'm sure I'll get called out for it, but whatever.

The difference is that in Iowa City, if an underage kid is caught with alcohol, they are written up. Regardless of how stupid they were being. I've seen people ID'd and ticketed walking down the street carrying a 12 pack.

In Ames, the police are quite a bit easier on that sort of thing.

Well, then I'd suggest not walking down the sidewalk with a 12 pack. I've seen kids in campus town walk from house to house to house looking for a party and carrying a 12 pack or bigger. I've seen the same in Iowa City. The difference? The police nab you for it in IC. And I saw that during ONE weekend in IC. If I can learn that in a 2-night stay, don't you think a kid could learn that over the course of a semester or school year (not particularly this kid in question, but in general)?

Adjust your activity (especially if it's "illegal") to suit the government/enforcing agency in the area around you.

Cyclonesrule91 · 04-24-2008, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

I hate to say this - and I'm sure I'll get called out for it, but whatever.

The difference is that in Iowa City, if an underage kid is caught with alcohol, they are written up. Regardless of how stupid they were being. I've seen people ID'd and ticketed walking down the street carrying a 12 pack.

In Ames, the police are quite a bit easier on that sort of thing.

So now your saying the only difference between EIU's 15 arrests and ISU is how strict the police department is????? I know you are the king of spin but in this case you are trying to spin re-rod.......

SouthernHawk · 04-24-2008, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by clone2011

Well, then I'd suggest not walking down the sidewalk with a 12 pack. I've seen kids in campus town walk from house to house to house looking for a party and carrying a 12 pack or bigger. I've seen the same in Iowa City. The difference? The police nab you for it in IC. And I saw that during ONE weekend in IC. If I can learn that in a 2-night stay, don't you think a kid could learn that over the course of a semester or school year (not particularly this kid in question, but in general)?

Adjust your activity (especially if it's "illegal") to suit the government/enforcing agency in the area around you.

That was just an example I saw. Hundermark was picked up in a bar.

The problem is most of the parties and stuff take place in bars and clubs in IC. Not the same can be said in Ames.

I'm not defending the guy - it's annoyingly dumb.

Originally Posted by Cyclonesrule91

So now your saying the only difference between EIU's 15 arrests and ISU is how strict the police department is????? I know you are the king of spin but in this case you are trying to spin re-rod.......

No.... I'm saying the difference between picking up a ticket for underage drinking is pretty big between Ames and Iowa City.

Cyclone62 · 04-24-2008, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

I hate to say this - and I'm sure I'll get called out for it, but whatever.

The difference is that in Iowa City, if an underage kid is caught with alcohol, they are written up. Regardless of how stupid they were being. I've seen people ID'd and ticketed walking down the street carrying a 12 pack.

In Ames, the police are quite a bit easier on that sort of thing.

Eh... I've seen both happen in both cities. I think the bigger culprit is the underage kids in the bars in IC, so the police are always going in there and IDing people. I haven't seen that in Ames.