Would you trade either Arnaud or Bates for Iowa's JC?

MontyBurns · 05-01-2008, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

Stanzi was being recruited by Michigan and Purdue, so it's not like he chose Iowa because it was his fallback option.

And I'm purposely avoiding Nelson for several reasons. Nelson and Arnaud are two different types of quarterbacks, and Nelson was rated much lower than Stanzi or Arnaud.

Here are the corrections that seem to be mandatory with every post SH makes:

Stanzi was not recruited by Michigan. His offers were Iowa, Purdue, Toledo, and Miami of Ohio:

Scout.com: Rick Stanzi Profile

Arnaud was a 2-star QB as was Stanzi. The so-called "much lower rated" Nelson was actually higher rated as a 3-star QB:

Scout.com: Arvell Nelson Profile

This forum needs to start censoring SH posts if he continues to post nonsense as if it is fact.

SouthernHawk · 05-01-2008, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by MontyBurns

Here are the corrections that seem to be mandatory with every post SH makes:

Stanzi was not recruited by Michigan. His offers were Iowa, Purdue, Toledo, and Miami of Ohio:

Scout.com: Rick Stanzi Profile

Arnaud was a 2-star QB as was Stanzi. The so-called "much lower rated" Nelson was actually higher rated as a 3-star QB:

Scout.com: Arvell Nelson Profile

This forum needs to start censoring SH posts if he continues to post nonsense as if it is fact.

If you knew better, you'd use Rivals. I think it's generally been accepted that Rivals has the better, more up to date lists.

That being said, I said he was being recruited by UM, I didn't say he was offered. A school can show interest without offering.

BryceC · 05-01-2008, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

How is it clear? Did you speak with Kirk Ferentz or his staff?

Just because an in-state recruit was offered before a recruit from another state does not mean he's a higher priority.

At the very most, he and Stanzi were tied.

How is it clear that he wasn't? I cannot possibly imagine how it could be construed that Stanzi was as high a target as Arnaud. I have offered ample evidence as to why I think this is the case. You have offered only your opinion.

jdoggivjc · 05-01-2008, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by MontyBurns

Here are the corrections that seem to be mandatory with every post SH makes:

Stanzi was not recruited by Michigan. His offers were Iowa, Purdue, Toledo, and Miami of Ohio:

Scout.com: Rick Stanzi Profile

Arnaud was a 2-star QB as was Stanzi. The so-called "much lower rated" Nelson was actually higher rated as a 3-star QB:

Scout.com: Arvell Nelson Profile

This forum needs to start censoring SH posts if he continues to post nonsense as if it is fact.

Arnaud has to be one of those clear-cut cases of a player's star rating dropping as soon as they commit to ISU. Everything I remember reading about Arnaud up to the point he committed was that he was a solid 3-star, the best QB recruit in the Midwest region, and one of the better QBs nationally. Yet now he's just a 2-star "also ran" QB on the national stage? WTF? Almost proof positive for that conspiracy theory...

snowcraig2.0 · 05-01-2008, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

If you knew better, you'd use Rivals. I think it's generally been accepted that Rivals has the better, more up to date lists.

That being said, I said he was being recruited by UM, I didn't say he was offered. A school can show interest without offering.

Southern, you admitted you didn't follow recruiting when Arnaud was being signed. Many of us here did. I had my Rivals subscription then. Commitment date is not an indication of a teams desire for a player, the offer date is. Iowa offered AA way before Stanzi. Your attitude towards this is why so many of us here hate Iowa fans, you have been undeniably proven wrong, yet you continue on based on your opinion that Iowa could never possibly get beat out for a player unless they let him go. Every post you make digs yourself a deeper and deeper hole.

Phaedrus · 05-01-2008, 11:45 AM

I just want to say, here and now, that this thread is absolutely EPIC!

SouthernHawk · 05-01-2008, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by BryceC

How is it clear that he wasn't? I cannot possibly imagine how it could be construed that Stanzi was as high a target as Arnaud. I have offered ample evidence as to why I think this is the case. You have offered only your opinion.

And I have offered ample reasons as to why Stanzi was equally as high on the staff's list. There is no "proof" either way - just speculation using offer dates and commitment dates.

IMO, the fact that Stanzi was getting looked at by Michigan and offered by Purdue, Toledo, and Miami of OH means the staff must have been recruiting him pretty hard to pull him away from two home state schools and two other Big Ten schools.

Arnaud had offers from Iowa, Iowa State, and Houston. I'd say on a national level, both QB's were regarded about the same, and to Iowa, both QBs were regarded about the same.

Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

Southern, you admitted you didn't follow recruiting when Arnaud was being signed. Many of us here did. I had my Rivals subscription then. Commitment date is not an indication of a teams desire for a player, the offer date is. Iowa offered AA way before Stanzi. Your attitude towards this is why so many of us here hate Iowa fans, you have been undeniably proven wrong, yet you continue on based on your opinion that Iowa could never possibly get beat out for a player unless they let him go. Every post you make digs yourself a deeper and deeper hole.

That's not what I'm saying. I've admitted that I was wrong, and that ISU did in fact beat out Iowa for Arnaud. What I am arguing now, and it's a valid argument, is that Stanzi was just as sought after by the Iowa staff as Arnaud was.

You're right - I did not follow recruiting to the extent that I do now, but I have still been able to go back and look at articles from that time.

CycloneWanderer · 05-01-2008, 12:16 PM

Lol, SH journeys to find his own soul as he is lost in the wilderness of Hawkeyeland and as he journeys west, after seeing a "Go West Young Man" poster, he must come to realize that the person he was is not someone he should like to be. And so, This is a story of a hawkeye fan realizing his soul needs to be cleansed, his mind to be freed, and his heart to reverberate with the power of a cyclone! EPIC!

BryceC · 05-01-2008, 12:20 PM

And I have offered ample reasons as to why Stanzi was equally as high on the staff's list.

Where?

IMO, the fact that Stanzi was getting looked at by Michigan and offered by Purdue, Toledo, and Miami of OH means the staff must have been recruiting him pretty hard to pull him away from two home state schools and two other Big Ten schools.

Iowa didn't beat Michigan for him. They didn't offer. I don't see how this is a difficult concept. You can't pull him away from somebody when they aren't pulling back.

SouthernHawk · 05-01-2008, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by BryceC

Where?

Iowa didn't beat Michigan for him. They didn't offer. I don't see how this is a difficult concept. You can't pull him away from somebody when they aren't pulling back.

Several pages back where I explained the situation where Stanzi committed before the staff even was aware that Arnaud was going to go to ISU. I also pointed out that Stanzi and Arnaud's rankings were similar, as well as the fact that both players had a similar list of schools that had offered. My point is, that KF had to have been recruiting Stanzi just as hard as Arnaud to get him to accept an offer to the U of I over two home town schools and Purdue. Especially that early in the recruiting game.

And I mentioned Michigan because he was receiving interest from UM. Since he committed in January of '06, he obviously didn't wait until the end of the recruiting season for a reason.

BryceC · 05-01-2008, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

Several pages back where I explained the situation where Stanzi committed before the staff even was aware that Arnaud was going to go to ISU.

This is so incredibly false I don't even know where to begin. Stanzi didn't even have an offer at the time Arnaud committed.

SouthernHawk · 05-01-2008, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by BryceC

This is so incredibly false I don't even know where to begin. Stanzi didn't even have an offer at the time Arnaud committed.

Oh crap. 2006 for Stanzi, 2005 for Arnaud.

I'm done.

snowcraig2.0 · 05-01-2008, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

Oh crap. 2006 for Stanzi, 2005 for Arnaud.

I'm done.

Good, admit you are wrong and move on.

ketelmeister · 05-03-2008, 11:27 PM

Either ISU QB would start easily for Iowa. There is no doubt about that.

SouthernHawk · 05-03-2008, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by ketelmeister

Either ISU QB would start easily for Iowa. There is no doubt about that.

Actually, there is very big doubt about that.

Just because Arnaud was offered and declined before Stanzi was even offered doesn't mean he's a better QB.

And the fact of the matter is, JC was/is a highly talented QB that has a year under his belt.

I know it's fun for you to think that Iowa is in shambles, has no QB, and the Regents control everything in Iowa City, but once again, you are letting your cardinal and gold blinders get in the way of rational thinking.

Arnaud/Bates is a good combo. But the fact of the matter is, they have yet to play any significant time, and you are declaring them "easily starters" of a relatively competitive Big Ten team.

No.