Would you trade either Arnaud or Bates for Iowa's JC?

[snowcraig2.0]

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

My bad - they did recruit Arnaud. But he was hardly Iowa's top recruit. He may have been ISU's though. That was the year Iowa signed Nelson and Stanzi both of who were recruited harder than Arnaud (who went to Ames HS).

And I wouldn't expect you to see much potential for QB at Iowa. Why would you? No offense, but your glasses are too darkly tinted cardinal and gold to really have much of an unbiased opinion on the Iowa QB situation.

The fact of the matter is, Stanzi, Weinke, and Vaderberg are all capable backups. Nelson isn't too shabby - but I would rather see Stanzi in infront of him.

That is not true, Arnaud was indeed Iowa's top QB target. I remember being very nervous about his decision, as were many other ISU and Iowa fans alike.

[SouthernHawk]

Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

That is not true, Arnaud was indeed Iowa's top QB target. I remember being very nervous about his decision, as were many other ISU and Iowa fans alike.

I'm sorry - but I don't remember it that way. I remember hearing the staff was going after Nelson and Stanzi, and there was another highly rated QB Iowa fans were hoping for, but I don't remember anything about Arnaud.

That's not to say Iowa didn't go after him - but I don't think he was top priority.

[ketelmeister]

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

My bad - they did recruit Arnaud. But he was hardly Iowa's top recruit. He may have been ISU's though. That was the year Iowa signed Nelson and Stanzi both of who were recruited harder than Arnaud (who went to Ames HS).

And I wouldn't expect you to see much potential for QB at Iowa. Why would you? No offense, but your glasses are too darkly tinted cardinal and gold to really have much of an unbiased opinion on the Iowa QB situation.

The fact of the matter is, Stanzi, Weinke, and Vaderberg are all capable backups. Nelson isn't too shabby - but I would rather see Stanzi in infront of him.

Your facts are off...Arnaud was the number one QB recruit for Iowa, and he was the #6 ranked dual QB in the country. Nelson was ranked #22 pro style, Stanzi #11 dual and McNutt #13. Nelson was not recruited much, neither was Stanzi. McNutt was the most highly recruited, but more than likely for a DB position rather that QB.

[SouthernHawk]

Originally Posted by ketelmeister

Your facts are off...Arnaud was the number one QB recruit for Iowa, and he was the #6 ranked dual QB in the country. Nelson was ranked #22 pro style, Stanzi #11 dual and McNutt #13. Nelson was not recruited much, neither was Stanzi. McNutt was the most highly recruited, but more than likely for a DB position rather that QB.

No, my facts are not off. I know you'd like to think that ISU beat Iowa out for Arnaud, but in reality, 2006 was a year that Iowa was filling up depth behind 4 star JC. In 2006, Iowa's needs were primarily a pro-style QB, which is why they had offeres out on quite a few, including #22 Nelson.

There was no reason for Iowa to recruit Arnaud as hard as ISU was, because after JC committed, it was largely assumed he would be the starter after Tate, and it would be everybody else.

Not that it matters, because in 2007 Iowa picked up several highly rated QB recruits, and the depth is fine. But you can't really sit there and tell me that Iowa has nobody in the depth chart capable of taking over for JC if they need to, and then turn around and say that Arnaud is so much better than JC with his limited play-time.

[ISU BET]

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

But you can't really sit there and tell me that Iowa has nobody in the depth chart capable of taking over for JC if they need to, and then turn around and say that Arnaud is so much better than JC with his limited play-time.

i haven't read every post in this thread, but i think that most of them ARE trying to say exactly that-you just aren't getting it because you are a hawk fan. 7 pages of semantics and what ifs has gotten everyone here nowhere. i know we like to argue this and that-hell i do it just as much as the next guy, but 7 pages in and yous guys are no closer to resolution then when it began on page 1.

[snowcraig2.0]

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

No, my facts are not off. I know you'd like to think that ISU beat Iowa out for Arnaud, but in reality, 2006 was a year that Iowa was filling up depth behind 4 star JC. In 2006, Iowa's needs were primarily a pro-style QB, which is why they had offeres out on quite a few, including #22 Nelson.

There was no reason for Iowa to recruit Arnaud as hard as ISU was, because after JC committed, it was largely assumed he would be the starter after Tate, and it would be everybody else.

Not that it matters, because in 2007 Iowa picked up several highly rated QB recruits, and the depth is fine. But you can't really sit there and tell me that Iowa has nobody in the depth chart capable of taking over for JC if they need to, and then turn around and say that Arnaud is so much better than JC with his limited play-time.

So which is it, did Iowa not recruit AA hard because they wanted Nelson, Stanzi, and McNutt more, or did they not recruit him because they already had JC? You are contradicting yourself.

Southern, I have always found you to be pretty reasonable, but you are sounding more and more like a irrational Iowa fan. The simple fact is AA was both teams' top target for QB that recruiting year, and Iowa lost.

[BryceC]

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

No, my facts are not off. I know you'd like to think that ISU beat Iowa out for Arnaud, but in reality, 2006 was a year that Iowa was filling up depth behind 4 star JC.

Arnaud chose to come to ISU while holding an offer from Iowa. Thus, ISU beat Iowa for Arnaud. I highly doubt the recruiting pitch to all of the guys they recruited was "Hey, come be a depth filler behind our four star from the previous year!"

Iowa recruited him with the expectation that he will compete for playing time, and I bet everybody is recruited with that expectation. Otherwise why would they offer them?

[SouthernHawk]

Right, all I'm saying is that I don't think Arnaud was the top QB priority for Iowa in 2006. ISU beat Iowa out for him - that's awesome. I think that point is pretty irrelevant, and I apologize if I tried to argue against it.

My point is, right now both Iowa and ISU have QBs that fit their systems rather well, and there really is no separation in terms of talent. The reason I would not trade JC for Bates/Arnaud is because JC has a year of experience under his belt, and he does have the talent to improve.

Arnaud should be good, but we won't know until he plays more downs.

[BryceC]

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

Right, all I'm saying is that I don't think Arnaud was the top QB priority for Iowa in 2006.

Scout.com: Class of 2006 Prospect: QB Austen Arnaud

Arnaud held an Iowa offer as early as August 18th, 2004.

Morse got an offer late Jan. 2006.
Nelson got an offer in Summer 2005 at the Iowa camp.
Stanzi wasn't offered until fall 2005.


Iowa offered Arnaud a full year before anybody else, Arnaud committed to ISU on June 20th, 2005, Set a press conference to announce his decision on June 13th 2005.

The Iowa camp attended by Nelson was mid-June 2005, when he received an offer. From what I can gather it was after the 13th when Arnaud set his decision.

HawkeyeReport.com - Players benefit from lengthy journey

Coincidence?

Basically, I don't know how you can't consider Arnaud to NOT be Iowa's top QB target in 2006, especially considering nobody else got an offer until Arnaud made it known that he wasn't going there.

[ajk4st8]

Originally Posted by BryceC

Scout.com: Class of 2006 Prospect: QB Austen Arnaud

Arnaud held an Iowa offer as early as August 18th, 2004.

Morse got an offer late Jan. 2006.
Nelson got an offer in Summer 2005 at the Iowa camp.
Stanzi wasn't offered until fall 2005.


Iowa offered Arnaud a full year before anybody else, Arnaud committed to ISU on June 20th, 2005, Set a press conference to announce his decision on June 13th 2005.

The Iowa camp attended by Nelson was mid-June 2005, when he received an offer. From what I can gather it was after the 13th when Arnaud set his decision.

HawkeyeReport.com - Players benefit from lengthy journey

Coincidence?

Basically, I don't know how you can't consider Arnaud to NOT be Iowa's top QB target in 2006, especially considering nobody else got an offer until Arnaud made it known that he wasn't going there.

BURN!!!!

[Tweedt4Cy]

My question for SouthernSqwack is what has JC proven to us that hes a reliable starter? Your talking about Meyer who even though he had some bad times with us he is still one of our top passers ever. JC has proven if u rush him he sucks, and if u dont he still isnt good. He probably wont even be ur starter this season.

[ajk4st8]

JC vs Meyer.

Comparing one crappy QB to another.

[jaretac]

I would agree that there is not much difference between JC and Arnaud. The difference I see is that JC has been playing lead QB for a year where Arnaud has limited experience. The fact we have two QBs that are as good as JC, tells me that ISU's has more depth at QB than Iowa.

[SouthernHawk]

Originally Posted by BryceC

Scout.com: Class of 2006 Prospect: QB Austen Arnaud

Arnaud held an Iowa offer as early as August 18th, 2004.

Morse got an offer late Jan. 2006.
Nelson got an offer in Summer 2005 at the Iowa camp.
Stanzi wasn't offered until fall 2005.


Iowa offered Arnaud a full year before anybody else, Arnaud committed to ISU on June 20th, 2005, Set a press conference to announce his decision on June 13th 2005.

The Iowa camp attended by Nelson was mid-June 2005, when he received an offer. From what I can gather it was after the 13th when Arnaud set his decision.

HawkeyeReport.com - Players benefit from lengthy journey

Coincidence?

Basically, I don't know how you can't consider Arnaud to NOT be Iowa's top QB target in 2006, especially considering nobody else got an offer until Arnaud made it known that he wasn't going there.

Well, looks like you did your homework. Well done.

I guess I don't know much about the recruiting situation, since I don't subscribe to either service, and try my best to find my information without using scout/rivals.

That being said, regardless of whether Arnaud was Iowa's top target for 2006, doesn't mean I would trade him (or Bates) for JC. And I wouldn't expect ISU fans to trade Meyer for Tate, or anything like that.

This conversation would be like in 2005, me saying that ISU fans would be silly to not trade JC for Meyer - when JC came in and looked decent at times, and Meyer was struggling. You just don't know how a QB is going to play in certain situations.

[dosry5]

I know I'm late coming in on this, but....I'd gladly trade both SouthernHawk and DJK15 for JC. Gladly.