Iowa worst SOS of all BCS teams. - Page 3

CTTB78 · 05-10-2008, 06:27 PM

We would be in the 50s or 60s with SOS if we didn't have Iowa on our schedule.

Psyclone · 05-10-2008, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

Top 30 - Big Ten 5, Big 12 4

Top 60 - Big Ten 9, Big 12 8

There, I'll spin it. And ISU was better than Iowa for one game, the Big 12 is slightly better than the Big Ten, and ISU was a big reason Iowa's SOS was so low.

Some day you're going to wake up and ask yourself why you, as an ISU student, are a fan of Iowa. You will come to the realization there is no logical reason and will switch to the good guys and the world will seem a better place for you.

ketelmeister · 05-11-2008, 07:26 PM

Unfortunately, as we've been seeing, the strength of schedule doesn't mean much at the end of the season. Kansas had a patsy schedule last year, and had a shot at the National title. Nebraska is softening up their schedule, and Iowa would rather NOT play Iowa State and schedule a sure win. The entire thing is screwed up, with a win against Maine or Florida Int. (Iowa's first two horrible opponents) the same as one against a quality opponent. Iowa State just has to take care of business, win the first two, then start Iowa's losing streak. As for Iowa, they want the easy schedule,and who can blame them?

SouthernHawk · 05-11-2008, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by ketelmeister

Unfortunately, as we've been seeing, the strength of schedule doesn't mean much at the end of the season. Kansas had a patsy schedule last year, and had a shot at the National title. Nebraska is softening up their schedule, and Iowa would rather NOT play Iowa State and schedule a sure win. The entire thing is screwed up, with a win against Maine or Florida Int. (Iowa's first two horrible opponents) the same as one against a quality opponent. Iowa State just has to take care of business, win the first two, then start Iowa's losing streak. As for Iowa, they want the easy schedule,and who can blame them?

ISU is really scheduling monsters in the OOC aren't they.

UNLV, South Dakota State, Kent State.... I guess if I saw ISU dropping those teams and scheduling real opponents, you'd have a valid point. But your trashing of Iowa's SOS looks really silly.

ketelmeister · 05-11-2008, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

ISU is really scheduling monsters in the OOC aren't they.

UNLV, South Dakota State, Kent State.... I guess if I saw ISU dropping those teams and scheduling real opponents, you'd have a valid point. But your trashing of Iowa's SOS looks really silly.

Better read my post instead of jumping off the bridge. I did not trash Iowa scheduling, in fact, I justified it from their perspective. And I didn't say Iowa State has a "tough" schedule either. But I only stated facts in my post. Iowa is making a concerted effort to lighten up the schedule and they do want Iowa State off, that's been talked about numerous times. And while Iowa State's first three opponents are not top 10 material, you have to admit the opening two games for Iowa are about the weakest of any division one team I have ever seen. Read before you blow.

ajk4st8 · 05-11-2008, 08:59 PM

The reason people start threads like this is because Iowa fans love to talk up the Iowa football program. They have no sense of reality. Some Iowa fans would still consider Iowa a top 30 football program. Iowa fans started talking about how great their PROGRAM over the 2 really solid years they have had. They demanded respect. Hawk fans began talking like they were one of the top 20 teams/programs in the country.

BUT they fell fast. They no longer want to be held to the standards of the 'top 20 program' status they were earlier saying they were. Now all they can do is defend how they aren't the worst. Apparently they dont want to be held to the high status they assumed they would be.

Now Iowa is getting bashed for losing to Western Michigan, Northwestern and ISU. They are bashed for having a program filled with trouble makers and a coach who can't keep them disciplined. They are bashed for booing players on SR day.

We understand that Iowa State football is still a rebuilding project. We understand that we have had some good seasons for ISU, but really very average in the eyes of 99% of all NCAA football fans.

Iowa fans never get the reality.

SouthernHawk · 05-11-2008, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by ajk4st8

The reason people start threads like this is because Iowa fans love to talk up the Iowa football program. They have no sense of reality. Some Iowa fans would still consider Iowa a top 30 football program. Iowa fans started talking about how great their PROGRAM over the 2 really solid years they have had. They demanded respect. Hawk fans began talking like they were one of the top 20 teams/programs in the country.

BUT they fell fast. They no longer want to be held to the standards of the 'top 20 program' status they were earlier saying they were. Now all they can do is defend how they aren't the worst. Apparently they dont want to be held to the high status they assumed they would be.

Now Iowa is getting bashed for losing to Western Michigan, Northwestern and ISU. They are bashed for having a program filled with trouble makers and a coach who can't keep them disciplined. They are bashed for booing players on SR day.

We understand that Iowa State football is still a rebuilding project. We understand that we have had some good seasons for ISU, but really very average in the eyes of 99% of all NCAA football fans.

Iowa fans never get the reality.

1st of all, Iowa is a top 35 overall program based on winning %, schedule points, Big 4 Bowl points, and NC points.

Team All-Time Rankings

So I think expecting to be in the top 35 annually or higher is a reasonable expectation given the success historically of the program.

That being said, if you honestly believe that ISU fans have any lower expectations than Iowa fans in proportion to each program's relative success, you're blind. ISU fans basically had no expectations pre-McCarney. Now, it's annually bowl games - thanks to what Dan built. In fact, his high expectations are ultimately what got him canned.

And really, the only people bashing Iowa for booing is ISU fans. I guess to me, I see it just as disrespectful to not show up to games (Missouri 2004 anybody?). Not to mention, last year there were distinct chants in JTS asking for Bates/Arnaud. I guess since it's not booing, it's acceptable, right?

And last year was bad for Iowa. No doubt about it. Losing to Western Michigan was the icing on the cake. But, given what Iowa fans have seen come out of Ferentz coached teams, I don't think it's all that unreasonable to expect Top 25 performances each year. The last 3 years have been bad no doubt. Off-field issues, problems with team unity, and things just going wrong when they used to go right.

But in all honesty, I have faith in Captain Kirk that he can get things turned around. If being an Iowa fan means believing that the team will succeed beyond expectations means being a homer, then I'm proud to be a homer. But you can't tell me that the ISU fan base is an exception to that rule. You can't tell me that you don't believe ISU will excede expectations. I distinctly remember reading a blog last bball season predicting ISU finishing at the top of the Big 12.

ISU fans have no reason to expect to be a lower tier program (which is what most "experts" are expecting out of them this year). And Iowa fans have no reason to expect that Ferentz was just a 3 year wonder and won't be able to replicate his success.

ISUKyro · 05-11-2008, 09:40 PM

"Can't we all just get along"

I think we can all agree that neither ISU or UI fans have a program where they want it it be right now. As much as it pains me to say it - UI has had a much better history than ISU and I think they should expect more because of it. I hope ISU can make some noise in the near future, but I'm not holding my breath for us to be kings of the Big XII.

mwitt · 05-11-2008, 09:46 PM

Somebody got lured back in.

SouthernHawk · 05-11-2008, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by ISUKyro

"Can't we all just get along"

I think we can all agree that neither ISU or UI fans have a program where they want it it be right now. As much as it pains me to say it - UI has had a much better history than ISU and I think they should expect more because of it. I hope ISU can make some noise in the near future, but I'm not holding my breath for us to be kings of the Big XII.

I think there is very good hope for ISU to become the next Missouri. And I agree with what you are saying - the history (and this isn't meant to brag) is a little different between the two schools.

While it's unreasonable to expect National Championships, I don't think expecting conference championships ever 3-4 years is asking too much.

Originally Posted by mwitt

Somebody got lured back in.

I did, and I am ashamed.

MontyBurns · 05-11-2008, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

Team All-Time Rankings

Teams in the all time top 10:
Big 12 - 3
Big 10 - 2

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

And Iowa fans have no reason to expect that Ferentz was just a 3 year wonder and won't be able to replicate his success.

LOL. Kirk has a career record of 73-70 over 12 years, and has finished in the top 25 rankings 3 times in those 12 years. He's pretty much the football equivalent of Larry Eustachy who caught lightning in a bottle when he had Fizer & Tinsley for 2 years in the middle of an otherwise mediocre coaching career.

JonDMiller · 05-11-2008, 10:37 PM

I was reading a 'new top 25' poll the other day by Schlabaugh of ESPN. Not that he is the final say on such matters, but I noticed that five of his current preseason top 25 teams are on Iowa's schedule:

ESPN - Buckeyes rise to No. 1 in updated Top 25 - College Football

ISU has two on that list, in Kansas and Mizzou.

Iowa's OOC of Maine and Fla International are certainly cupcakes, then there is the game with the 'equals' Iowa and Iowa State...and Iowa plays at Pitt. ISU plays FCS South Dakota State, Kent State and UNLV. It would be sort of picking nits here, don't you think?

That ESPN poll has five Big Ten teams on it, and five B12 teams on it.

So what are we arguing about?

ISUAlum2002 · 05-11-2008, 10:42 PM

Pre-season rankings aren't worth the paper (err, websites) they're printed on, and everyone knows it. Its proven year after year.

JonDMiller · 05-11-2008, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by ISUAlum2002

Pre-season rankings aren't worth the paper (err, websites) they're printed on, and everyone knows it. Its proven year after year.

True.

To that point, what are pieces of paper worth that formulate this year's strength of schedule based on last year's results that are full of players that are no longer on this year's roster, or teams that return players that were young and took their lumps last year, and will be back better this year?

Not a whole lot.

Phaedrus · 05-11-2008, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by JonDMiller

Iowa's OOC of Maine and Fla International are certainly cupcakes, then there is the game with the 'equals' Iowa and Iowa State...

Dude... You so JUST said that Iowa and Iowa State are 'equals'.

I hope you're prepared for the inevitable and predictable Hawkeye Fan backlash that will come your way Monday at work.....

Good job outta ya!