What season will be Kirk Ferentz' last at Iowa?

[DJKHawk]

Originally Posted by CarolinaCy

Are you on crack? This might be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. There isn't enough money in Iowa City to get Stoops to leave OU for UofI. Does Hawkeye arrogance know no bounds?

Considering that Stoops played at Iowa and then began his coaching career as a graduate assistant under Fry, I don't see how it's so "arrogant" to assume that Iowa would go after him. I'm definitely not saying Iowa would pull him away from OU, but it's worth a shot isn't it?

[bmuff]

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

Huh, really? I don't know if you've followed Iowa recruiting lately, but last year was a relatively down year (still ranked in the mid-pack of the Big Ten). This year the recruiting has picked up significantly, with Iowa having a shot at most of the top in-state talent, as well as an extremely good chance at nabbing at least one of two high-profile quarterbacks (one from the east coast, one from Missouri).

Iowa is also in line for some pretty darn good offensive linemen (Other than Barrent, there is Marcus Hall, Patrick Ward, Nick Alajajian, and Michael Shofield.

I know that with Illinois and ND picking up steam in Chicago it's gotten slightly more difficult, but Iowa still has pipelines in Texas, Florida, Illinois, Missouri, Ohio, Michigan, and the small states (Dakotas and Montana).

It's sad that the highly ranked class of 2005 has turned out to be a bunch of thugs, but as a person who follows Iowa recruiting very closely, the pipelines are not nearly as dry as you would like to believe, and Iowa does not have to resort to Detroit players because there is no other option.

I don't think that things are nearly as rosy as you make them out to be. This year recruiting has picked up significantly?? You mean their whole two commits? One an in-state OL who's always been a hawk fan and the other a probably two star RB with no other major offers?

I'll grant you that UI has a chance to grab some good in-state recruits. Davis and Cotton are almost locks. And Scheelhaus (MO) is a legacy, so they might get him. But reality is that their recruiting has fallen off the past few years and another average year and a coach on the hotseat isn't going to help. It's great for them that it is a good year in-state. Otherwise they'd really be in trouble.

Please tell me about all the guys that KF is "in on". He has made a living off of whiffing on big name recruits. Like it or not, KF right now is going to have to make a living off of players that other Big 11 programs passed on...guys from Ohio and Michigan and Illinois. Not that he can't do it, I still think that he's better coach than Zook or Brewster or Bielema.

BTW, if you don't think iowa "resorted" to inner city Detroit and Cleveland players, why did they sign them? Either there's something wrong with the kids or something wrong with the situation. Which is it?

[CarolinaCy]

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

You realize that had Bowlsby not been a complete idiot, he would have been a Hawkeye, right?

I agree he's not leaving OU, but it's not a "You must be high" sort of thing. It's an extremely wishful thinking scenario if KF were to leave.

DJK15 didn't say anything about the first time around, and neither did I. Would he have taken the job if offered in the late '90s? Probably, there's really no reason for him not to.

And yes, you must be high if you think that Stoops would leave one of the most dominant and storied programs in the history of college football to come back to Iowa. It's not extremely wishful thinking, it's a frickin' pipe dream, and you'd have to be an idiot to think it's even remotely possible (which is why some Hawk fans will believe it to be true when KF is shown the door).

[Indyclone]

I don't think it would be a pipe dream for Stoops to come to IC, however the chance of that happening though would be less than 5%. Afterall his wife is from Cresco, IA and her immediate family still lives there, and I read once where he buried his dad in his Hawkeye jersey. While I don't think he would return to coach he does have a lot of ties to the state and the university.

[weR138]

Originally Posted by MontyBurns

How much longer?

Hopefully forever.

[CycloneWarrior]

I think we should stop playing Iowa in football. We arent gaining anything by playing them each year. They are too weak and just man handle them everytime we play them. Jk I think its hilarious when hawkeye fans say this about isu

[DJK15]

Originally Posted by CarolinaCy

DJK15 didn't say anything about the first time around, and neither did I. Would he have taken the job if offered in the late '90s? Probably, there's really no reason for him not to.

And yes, you must be high if you think that Stoops would leave one of the most dominant and storied programs in the history of college football to come back to Iowa. It's not extremely wishful thinking, it's a frickin' pipe dream, and you'd have to be an idiot to think it's even remotely possible (which is why some Hawk fans will believe it to be true when KF is shown the door).

All I'm saying is that if Ferentz were let go, Barta HAS to at least make a call to Stoops. It probably wouldn't happen (a lot like the Bruce Pearl situation) but he has to at least try. Stoops has lots of connections to/in Iowa, strange things happen when "mama calls."

[SouthernHawk]

Originally Posted by bmuff

I don't think that things are nearly as rosy as you make them out to be. This year recruiting has picked up significantly?? You mean their whole two commits? One an in-state OL who's always been a hawk fan and the other a probably two star RB with no other major offers?

I'll grant you that UI has a chance to grab some good in-state recruits. Davis and Cotton are almost locks. And Scheelhaus (MO) is a legacy, so they might get him. But reality is that their recruiting has fallen off the past few years and another average year and a coach on the hotseat isn't going to help. It's great for them that it is a good year in-state. Otherwise they'd really be in trouble.

Please tell me about all the guys that KF is "in on". He has made a living off of whiffing on big name recruits. Like it or not, KF right now is going to have to make a living off of players that other Big 11 programs passed on...guys from Ohio and Michigan and Illinois. Not that he can't do it, I still think that he's better coach than Zook or Brewster or Bielema.

BTW, if you don't think iowa "resorted" to inner city Detroit and Cleveland players, why did they sign them? Either there's something wrong with the kids or something wrong with the situation. Which is it?

I should re-phrase. I don't think Iowa "resorted" to the inner-city guys, but I do think that KF got caught up in the hype of signing 5 star athletes that he may have rushed into some iffy players.

I've already given you 4 examples of players that are from out of state but have mentioned at one time or another that they favor Iowa. Marcus Hall is a bit of a stretch, but Scheelhaase, Reed, and etc... from out of state are highly ranked and Iowa leans.

Also, I just thought I would mention, Brad Rogers is projected to be a 3 star running back, not two.

Originally Posted by Indyclone

I don't think it would be a pipe dream for Stoops to come to IC, however the chance of that happening though would be less than 5%. Afterall his wife is from Cresco, IA and her immediate family still lives there, and I read once where he buried his dad in his Hawkeye jersey. While I don't think he would return to coach he does have a lot of ties to the state and the university.

Exactly

[bmuff]

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

I should re-phrase. I don't think Iowa "resorted" to the inner-city guys, but I do think that KF got caught up in the hype of signing 5 star athletes that he may have rushed into some iffy players.

I've already given you 4 examples of players that are from out of state but have mentioned at one time or another that they favor Iowa. Marcus Hall is a bit of a stretch, but Scheelhaase, Reed, and etc... from out of state are highly ranked and Iowa leans.

Also, I just thought I would mention, Brad Rogers is projected to be a 3 star running back, not two.

We'll see. Iowa doesn't have a bunch of spots to fill, so they aren't going to have a super high rated class anyway. All I'm saying is that you're blind if you don't see that recruiting has gotten a LOT tougher for them in the last few years (due to Zook, Weiss, Brewster, Bielema and Schiano). Not to mention, USF has made recruiting FL a little tougher for everyone up north.

I have a hard time believing that a RB that runs a 4.65 and has all of one major offer is projected to be a three star, but then again I've seen weirder things from Rivals and Scout. They are pretty far from consistant.

[DJK15]

According to people who work for Rivals, Rogers is in fact projected as a 3-star... not that it really matters.

[MontyBurns]

Originally Posted by DJKHawk

Considering that Stoops played at Iowa and then began his coaching career as a graduate assistant under Fry, I don't see how it's so "arrogant" to assume that Iowa would go after him. I'm definitely not saying Iowa would pull him away from OU, but it's worth a shot isn't it?

Of course Iowa will take a shot to hire Stoops away from OU when they decide to replace Ferentz. They will be equally successful to when they tried to hire Bruce Pearl to replace Steve Alford (i.e. Stoops will laugh at them). They will then end up hiring either Chuck Long or some guy nobody has ever heard of. Personally, I'm rooting for Chuck.

[keepngoal]

Originally Posted by MontyBurns

Of course Iowa will take a shot to hire Stoops away from OU when they decide to replace Ferentz. They will be equally successful to when they tried to hire Bruce Pearl to replace Steve Alford (i.e. Stoops will laugh at them). They will then end up hiring either Chuck Long or some guy nobody has ever heard of. Personally, I'm rooting for Chuck.

seriously.. did Brian Ferentz knock up your wife or daughter? You are passed borderline stacker here.

-keep.

[Clonefan94]

Originally Posted by DJK15

All I'm saying is that if Ferentz were let go, Barta HAS to at least make a call to Stoops. It probably wouldn't happen (a lot like the Bruce Pearl situation) but he has to at least try. Stoops has lots of connections to/in Iowa, strange things happen when "mama calls."

Well, I don't disagree with you here, strange things do happen. But, he's not born and raised an Iowa boy. He's from Ohio originally. So, yeah, it's his college team, but, is that his true love? Those Ohio people usually only "love" one school.

[trevn]

Originally Posted by Clonefan94

Well, I don't disagree with you here, strange things do happen. But, he's not born and raised an Iowa boy. He's from Ohio originally. So, yeah, it's his college team, but, is that his true love? Those Ohio people usually only "love" one school.

Akron? Go Zips!

I agree with DJK, Barta would have to give Stoops a call. Stoops would then respectfully decline and then Iowa would go after their second choice, Pete Carroll. After that doesn't work because Iowa's budget for paying recruits is too low, I'd say they would go after another lower-level assistant on an NFL team or a head coach from a lower-level D1 or Championship Subdivision team...someone like a Mark Farley or former dline coach and current Arizona Cardinals dline coach Ron Aiken.

[bmuff]

Originally Posted by DJK15

According to people who work for Rivals, Rogers is in fact projected as a 3-star... not that it really matters.

Like I said, Rivals and Scout do some weird things. Fabian Brown was a 3 star recruit in 2007 and ISU was his only offer. Compare that with Jeremiah Schwartz in 2008 who had offers from ISU, Kentucky, Virginia, Wisconsin and Colorado yet was a 2 star. Doesn't make any sense to me. IMO to be a 3 star, a player should have at least 2 if not 3 BCS offers.