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06-14-2008, 02:35 PM
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Overall, a pretty good take by LifetimeHawk.
I think the matchups are mostly a wash, except for the obvious strengths and weaknesses.
It's interesting this year in that ISU's strength (running game) looks to be Iowa's weakness, and Iowa's strength (defensive front 7) looks to be ISU's weakness.
It makes for a couple interesting strength vs. strength and weakness vs. weakness battles. The winners there will decide this game, imo.
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06-14-2008, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by LifetimeHawk 
Secondary - Push (Both teams return a couple of starters, but this is not a position of strength for either team) Cyclones return all four starters, who are all good athletes with speed, the Hawks a pair of average (at best) safeties. ISU has as big an edge in the secondary as Iowa will at DL and linebacker--Coleman, along with Clayborn and Ballard, are about to be stars.
As far as receivers, Hamilton, Sumrall, Brodell and Moeaki are all certainly established, so it's still a push.
Our kickers and your kickers are all pretty equivalent--Brandtner was punting to a short field most of the time, and each team is counting on freshmen as placekickers.
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06-14-2008, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by cycloneman003 you are retarded lol... i wouldnt trade one of hamilton,sumrall, or sed johnson for the two of them They could suit up Randy Moss and Terrell Owens and it wouldn't matter. How many catches would they make when their quarterback can't do anything but stand in one place holding the ball until he gets sacked?
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06-14-2008, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DJK15 The 2 best receivers on the field will be Brodell and DJK. lulz.....no further retort needed.
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06-14-2008, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cycloneman003 you are retarded lol... i wouldnt trade one of hamilton,sumrall, or sed johnson for the two of them I don't know, while I can understand not trading Hamilton or Sumrall, it's kind of silly to say that you would trade a Freshman for either DJK or Brodell. I mean, they are pretty darn good receivers, and do have 2.5 years of experience between the two of them.
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06-14-2008, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SouthernHawk I don't know, while I can understand not trading Hamilton or Sumrall, it's kind of silly to say that you would trade a Freshman for either DJK or Brodell. I mean, they are pretty darn good receivers, and do have 2.5 years of experience between the two of them. Didn't Jimmy Johnson run off the experienced guys in Dallas, because their experience was losing experience?
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06-14-2008, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by CycloneErik Didn't Jimmy Johnson run off the experienced guys in Dallas, because their experience was losing experience?
If your experience doesn't include catching the ball, are you really an experienced receiver? I wouldn't include DJK or Brodell in that equation. That's more of a Trey Stross sort of deal ;)
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06-14-2008, 07:44 PM
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As far as receivers go I think it is a lot like when in basketball Iowa had Smith as a freshman and Iowa State had Johnson. Both sets of fans would tell you that they had the better of the two.
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06-14-2008, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by cycloneman003 you are retarded lol... i wouldnt trade one of hamilton,sumrall, or sed johnson for the two of them Originally Posted by ISUAlum2002 lulz.....no further retort needed. Iowa's top receiver had better numbers than any ISU receiver in HALF A SEASON and yet ISU has the edge? THAT's retarded.
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06-14-2008, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DJK15 Iowa's top receiver had better numbers than any ISU receiver in HALF A SEASON and yet ISU has the edge? THAT's retarded. Excuse my ignorance but DJK only played half a season...
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06-14-2008, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by HGPuck Excuse my ignorance but DJK only played half a season... But he fumbled enough times that it counts as several years of experience.
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06-14-2008, 08:30 PM
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So I went and looked at some 2007 statistics and I'm still not sure what you were getting at.
Hamilton Rec: 45 Yards: 534 Ave: 11.9 TD: 1
Sumrall Rec: 54 Yards: 434 Ave: 8.00 TD: 0
DJK Rec: 38 Yards: 482 Ave: 12.7 TD: 2
Brodell Rec: 13 Yards: 96 Ave: 7.4 TD: 0
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06-14-2008, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by HGPuck So I went and looked at some 2007 statistics and I'm still not sure what you were getting at.
Hamilton Rec: 45 Yards: 534 Ave: 11.9 TD: 1
Sumrall Rec: 54 Yards: 434 Ave: 8.00 TD: 0
DJK Rec: 38 Yards: 482 Ave: 12.7 TD: 2
Brodell Rec: 13 Yards: 96 Ave: 7.4 TD: 0 Yeah, I screwed up. I just noticed those stats from the first page were Brodell's 2006 numbers. I'd still take Iowa's WRs over ISU's though.
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06-14-2008, 08:43 PM
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This is stupid.
Both teams sucked last year.
FWIW....I am going with Sedrick Johnson to be the suprise receiver of the two teams. And yes...I know he hasn't played a down. I just know he is strong, tall, fast and can jump just as high as Rashon Clark.
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06-14-2008, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DJK15 Yeah, I screwed up. I just noticed those stats from the first page were Brodell's 2006 numbers. I'd still take Iowa's WRs over ISU's though. Oh I see, no big deal, I was just confused more than anything. As an aside I'll still take ISU's over Iowa's.
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