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06-18-2008, 09:36 PM
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Credits: 297,260 | Difficult scenario for Kirk Ferentz Assuming Iowa Head Coach Kirk Ferentz did everything by the book in the highly publicized rape case, he faces a number of difficulties.
1. If there is a trial on the case, he may be asked to testify. This would be major media news. It's a tough spot to be in.
2. If he has an average or below average season, fans may well look at both the won loss record and his off field team problems as a way to make continuing difficult
3. If any of the notions of a "sex room" or failure to report to police in a timely fashion hold up, whether he was responsible or not, it will be difficult.
I'd like some opinions from the Hawk fans on this. This is a tough spot for anyone to be in , let alone a high profile person like Kirk Ferentz. He has an excellent reputation, it will be put to the test. Again, he may be innocent of all charges, but still put on the spot. Any thoughts? | | |
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06-18-2008, 09:43 PM
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Credits: 397,316 Year: 2001 Degree: BS CprE NFL: Bears MLB: Cubs | Re: Difficult scenario for Kirk Ferentz It will be interesting to see who will be called at trial. I would think that KF and anyone in the athletic department would be safe, because the prosecution will want the direct witnesses to make their case. | |
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06-18-2008, 09:47 PM
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Credits: 99,557 Year: DNG NFL: Cowboys NBA: Suns MLB: Royals | Re: Difficult scenario for Kirk Ferentz | The Jack Trice Story ESPN & Wiki "My thoughts just before the first real college game of my life: The honor of my race, family and self are at stake," Trice wrote. "Everyone is expecting me to do big things. I will!" "I really don't even remember exactly what happened," Klink after losing 15-13 at JackTriceStadium "a great enviroment for college football. Just like going into OSU or UM."Greenway after losing 23-3 a JackTriceStadium |
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06-18-2008, 09:54 PM
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Credits: 406,503 | Re: Difficult scenario for Kirk Ferentz Yeah, I don't think KF will testify in the criminal trial. He was not a direct witness, and doesn't have anything to do with the actual crime.
If he did anything not by the book, then he will have to deal with the U of I higher-ups and the BoR. Even if the did everything by the book, didn't know anything and such, he will still have to deal with the court of public opinion. In this case, if he wins on the field, he'll be fine.....unless they continue to have off-the-field issues. I don't blame him as much as some others for these problems, but he now has the responsibility of fixing them. | | |
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06-18-2008, 09:56 PM
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Credits: 292,215 | Re: Difficult scenario for Kirk Ferentz Originally Posted by keepngoal It is good to see Pulp Fiction memorialized in this touching artist's rendition. If I can locate this interpretation of the infamous scene, I would like to place it beside my other favorite creative artwork:  | | |
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06-18-2008, 10:08 PM
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Credits: 145,365 | Re: Difficult scenario for Kirk Ferentz I think he has a big problem if he knew there was an assault then told whats his name to move into that room, I wonder if that smacks of obstruction? | | |
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06-18-2008, 10:27 PM
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Credits: 397,316 Year: 2001 Degree: BS CprE NFL: Bears MLB: Cubs | Re: Difficult scenario for Kirk Ferentz Originally Posted by Transient I think he has a big problem if he knew there was an assault then told whats his name to move into that room, I wonder if that smacks of obstruction? This is a stretch... but maybe...
However, that would be a separate crime... | |
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06-18-2008, 10:42 PM
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Credits: 306,912 | Re: Difficult scenario for Kirk Ferentz Kirk is in for a long summer no matter what:
He's been putting a mediocre (or worse) team on the field for 2 or 3 years now.
He has the embarrassment of 22 arrests in the last 14 months.
He has the embarrassment of fans leaving games early and/or booing their own team off their own field on senior day.
He has to try to recruit amid the negative publicity of leading the "Thug U" program plus coaching a losing team. He lost at least one big recruit who verbally committed to Iowa then changed his mind after making a visit during the WMU game weekend.
Iowa newspapers and radio and TV stations will have a field day ripping his program apart this summer as court appearances by James Cleveland, Arvell Nelson, Abe Satterfield, and Cedric Everson will get tons of press coverage in the otherwise slow Iowa summer sports season.
If he has another mediocre year with 5 or 6 wins or if he continues to have players arrested on a near-daily basis, well, this blog says it best: "If Ferentz and Iowa do indeed go 6-6 and have a losing record in the Big Ten in 2008, the question will then turn to if Iowa can continue to pay a coach that is putting mediocrity onto the football field. Reading Ferentz's contract, it is not entirely clear to us what Ferentz's December 2008 buyout would be, but our best guess puts it around $4.55 million. Would Iowa pay a football coach $4.55 million to buyout a contact? We are doubtful that they would, but if Iowa does put up a 6-6 record in 2008, the Hawkeye fans are going to be demanding that someone answer for Iowa's recent football records, and the football coach would be the obvious person to go." Kirk Ferentz | Iowa Hawkeye All-Stars, 2007-2008: Ryan Bain, Ricky Stanzi, Dana Brown, Tyler Gerstandt, Arvell Nelson, Bradley Fletcher, Dana Brown (x2), Ben Evans, Arvell Nelson (x2), Dominique Douglas, Anthony Bowman, Clint Huntrods, Lance Tillison, Dana Brown (x3), Dominique Douglas (x2), Brandon Myers, Ryan Donahue, Arvell Nelson (x3), James Cleveland, Cody Hundertmark, Cedric Everson, Abe Satterfield, Riley Reiff welcome to the club, who will be next??? |
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06-18-2008, 10:46 PM
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Credits: 212,178 Year: 1991 Degree: Ag Business/Marketing NFL: Vikings | Re: Difficult scenario for Kirk Ferentz Originally Posted by MontyBurns Kirk is in for a long summer no matter what:
He's been putting a mediocre (or worse) team on the field for 2 or 3 years now.
He has the embarrassment of 22 arrests in the last 14 months.
He has the embarrassment of fans leaving games early and/or booing their own team off their own field on senior day.
He has to try to recruit amid the negative publicity of leading the "Thug U" program plus coaching a losing team. He lost at least one big recruit who verbally committed to Iowa then changed his mind after making a visit during the WMU game weekend.
Iowa newspapers and radio and TV stations will have a field day ripping his program apart this summer as court appearances by James Cleveland, Arvell Nelson, Abe Satterfield, and Cedric Everson will get tons of press coverage in the otherwise slow Iowa summer sports season.
If he has another mediocre year with 5 or 6 wins or if he continues to have players arrested on a near-daily basis, well, this blog says it best: "If Ferentz and Iowa do indeed go 6-6 and have a losing record in the Big Ten in 2008, the question will then turn to if Iowa can continue to pay a coach that is putting mediocrity onto the football field. Reading Ferentz's contract, it is not entirely clear to us what Ferentz's December 2008 buyout would be, but our best guess puts it around $4.55 million. Would Iowa pay a football coach $4.55 million to buyout a contact? We are doubtful that they would, but if Iowa does put up a 6-6 record in 2008, the Hawkeye fans are going to be demanding that someone answer for Iowa's recent football records, and the football coach would be the obvious person to go." Kirk Ferentz I'd like a front row seat to that showing...........  | Colorado coach Gary Barnett "I thought we had a pretty good mascot, but when we showed up at Iowa State, they had a real tornado. That's the real deal." November 12, 2005 |
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06-18-2008, 10:46 PM
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Credits: 156,352 | Re: Difficult scenario for Kirk Ferentz Originally Posted by MontyBurns Kirk is in for a long summer no matter what:
He's been putting a mediocre (or worse) team on the field for 2 or 3 years now.
He has the embarrassment of 22 arrests in the last 14 months.
He has the embarrassment of fans leaving games early and/or booing their own team off their own field on senior day.
He has to try to recruit amid the negative publicity of leading the "Thug U" program plus coaching a losing team. He lost at least one big recruit who verbally committed to Iowa then changed his mind after making a visit during the WMU game weekend.
Iowa newspapers and radio and TV stations will have a field day ripping his program apart this summer as court appearances by James Cleveland, Arvell Nelson, Abe Satterfield, and Cedric Everson will get tons of press coverage in the otherwise slow Iowa summer sports season.
If he has another mediocre year with 5 or 6 wins or if he continues to have players arrested on a near-daily basis, well, this blog says it best: "If Ferentz and Iowa do indeed go 6-6 and have a losing record in the Big Ten in 2008, the question will then turn to if Iowa can continue to pay a coach that is putting mediocrity onto the football field. Reading Ferentz's contract, it is not entirely clear to us what Ferentz's December 2008 buyout would be, but our best guess puts it around $4.55 million. Would Iowa pay a football coach $4.55 million to buyout a contact? We are doubtful that they would, but if Iowa does put up a 6-6 record in 2008, the Hawkeye fans are going to be demanding that someone answer for Iowa's recent football records, and the football coach would be the obvious person to go." Kirk Ferentz NO! We need this guy. | Don't let the green grass fool you. Don't let it change your mind. |
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06-18-2008, 10:56 PM
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Credits: 306,912 | Re: Difficult scenario for Kirk Ferentz Don't worry, he's not going anywhere for awhile -- even if he becomes something of a lame duck coach. Like the blog says, even if he goes 6-6 and Iowa fans end the streak of sold-out games, they aren't going to come up with $4.55 million to buy out a coach -- especially when they'd have to turn around and pay an additional $1-2 million for the next one. | Iowa Hawkeye All-Stars, 2007-2008: Ryan Bain, Ricky Stanzi, Dana Brown, Tyler Gerstandt, Arvell Nelson, Bradley Fletcher, Dana Brown (x2), Ben Evans, Arvell Nelson (x2), Dominique Douglas, Anthony Bowman, Clint Huntrods, Lance Tillison, Dana Brown (x3), Dominique Douglas (x2), Brandon Myers, Ryan Donahue, Arvell Nelson (x3), James Cleveland, Cody Hundertmark, Cedric Everson, Abe Satterfield, Riley Reiff welcome to the club, who will be next??? |
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06-19-2008, 12:02 AM
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Credits: 145,365 | Re: Difficult scenario for Kirk Ferentz We win either way  hehe!! | | |
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06-19-2008, 12:18 AM
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Credits: 306,912 | Re: Difficult scenario for Kirk Ferentz Regarding the trial, I don't think there's any chance Ferentz would testify. Certainly Daniels, Pugh, and any other players who were around that night or who might have been told about it by the accused parties could all be witnesses, but that's probably it. And that's assuming that it goes to trial instead of a deal made in exchange for guilty pleas. | Iowa Hawkeye All-Stars, 2007-2008: Ryan Bain, Ricky Stanzi, Dana Brown, Tyler Gerstandt, Arvell Nelson, Bradley Fletcher, Dana Brown (x2), Ben Evans, Arvell Nelson (x2), Dominique Douglas, Anthony Bowman, Clint Huntrods, Lance Tillison, Dana Brown (x3), Dominique Douglas (x2), Brandon Myers, Ryan Donahue, Arvell Nelson (x3), James Cleveland, Cody Hundertmark, Cedric Everson, Abe Satterfield, Riley Reiff welcome to the club, who will be next??? |
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06-19-2008, 10:22 AM
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Credits: 686,040 | Re: Difficult scenario for Kirk Ferentz Who says there is even going to be a trial? I have a feeling there will be a deal for a guilty plea. |
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06-19-2008, 10:28 AM
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Credits: 263,154 Year: 1999 Degree: MIS NFL: Raiders NBA: Celtics MLB: Yankees | Re: Difficult scenario for Kirk Ferentz Originally Posted by balken It is good to see Pulp Fiction memorialized in this touching artist's rendition. If I can locate this interpretation of the infamous scene, I would like to place it beside my other favorite creative artwork:  Don't forget this one. | | |
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