Kansas to win or Big 12 to lose?

[ImJustKCClone]

Pls reread the comments you were responding to...because you didn't really respond to either. Both mine and the other one referred to the fact that the better the Big 12 does, the better it is for ISU. You're projecting this requires some level cheerleadering.

As someone else points out, it doesn't matter if you do or do not support KU winning, their success or failure does reflect on the Big 12 and the perception of quality of play found in conference.

Please re-read MY original response.

My second comment was in response to THIS:
"They'll likely continue to dominate the conference every year and be the only B12 team to do anything on a national level regardless.... And their fans will continue to be arrogant.

It is what it is."

 

[jdoggivjc]

When the B12 looks good/strong, it helps the perception of playing in our league with HS kids that live outside of the B12 footprint (which is most of the kids we recruit to ISU).

This is pretty basic stuff IMO.

And yet, has this line of reasoning ever actually worked for the rest of the conference in either football or basketball? No.

So that being said, I don't want KU to have nice things, so **** KU.

 

[MeowingCows]

Hey, people, news flash: we need the Big 12 to stay strong. You know, considering it was on the verge of collapsing (which would not be good for us). Semi-successful basketball schools with no football strength don't do well in conference realignments, re: UCONN.

Personally, I'd rather not be relegated to the AAC.

 

[capitalcityguy]

And yet, has this line of reasoning ever actually worked for the rest of the conference in either football or basketball? No.

So that being said, I don't want KU to have nice things, so **** KU.

Would love to know what you use to validate if "actually worked". We are talking about perceptions/opinions outside the conference.

What is your opinion of Big 10 basketball this year? Up or down? Are you saying the fact there is zero Big Ten teams left now makes no difference in people's perception of that conference right now?

 

[CyTwins]

Quack Quack

 

[randomfan44]

I am confused. Part of me hate to see Kansas advance to Elite 8 and a chance to the Final four. But want Big12 presence in Phoenix.

Here, I'll make it easier for ISU fans. If Kansas wins the title and Devonte Graham wins MOP then he likely leaves school early to play pro and thus, ISU's chances next year improve. If KU loses then maybe Graham feels like a Final Four is unfinished business, returns to school and makes it more difficult for ISU to win next year.

Better?

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Here, I'll make it easier for ISU fans. If Kansas wins the title and Devonte Graham wins MOP then he likely leaves school early to play pro and thus, ISU's chances next year improve. If KU loses then maybe Graham feels like a Final Four is unfinished business, returns to school and makes it more difficult for ISU to win next year.

Better?

Validate THIS maggot, Cap City? No ******* way.

 

[BeneventiCy28]

We beat Kansas at Allen Fieldhouse

 

[Tornado man]

Love all the KU hate - but I'm sure Jamie will accept the $$$ that their run to the Final Four will net us...

 

[CYber_saber]

Here, I'll make it easier for ISU fans. If Kansas wins the title and Devonte Graham wins MOP then he likely leaves school early to play pro and thus, ISU's chances next year improve. If KU loses then maybe Graham feels like a Final Four is unfinished business, returns to school and makes it more difficult for ISU to win next year.

Better?

Looks like only wishful thinking of Kansas fans...no argument in there

 

[capitalcityguy]

Validate THIS maggot, Cap City? No ******* way.

He/she needs to fight their own battle on that one.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

As of right now, the Big 12 had 6 of the best 64 teams in CBB. 4 in the top 32, and 3 in the top 16. 1 in the top 8, and maybe top 4. That's plenty good for a 10 team conference. Better than the other 10 team conference, which is essentially a built for basketball conference, Big East.

I guess what I'm saying is, F*** Kansas. I'm also happy WVU lost Thursday. Hate seeing Huggy Bear and his maim you style of basketball win. Baylor also very easy to root against with their off court issues. F them all except for the good guys

 

[CyTwins]

Here, I'll make it easier for ISU fans. If Kansas wins the title and Devonte Graham wins MOP then he likely leaves school early to play pro and thus, ISU's chances next year improve. If KU loses then maybe Graham feels like a Final Four is unfinished business, returns to school and makes it more difficult for ISU to win next year.

Better?

Put me in the camp that doesn't care what Graham does. Quack Quack

 

[CySmurf]

Kansas losing changes nothing about the Big 12's status as a power conference. Ask yourself this...and maybe this is a better question for all of us...
Would Kansas cheer for us if the roles were reversed? And if "No" is the answer...then do we then root for them in this case so we don't stoop to their pathetic level as fans?

 

[CycloneErik]

Another way to see this:

I like Altman. I like that Oregon hiring Altman got us Fred and made us matter again.


I hate Kansas. They don't do anything for us, outside of providing us with a nice target for an annual win or two.

Quack, quack. Kansas must be destroyed.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Kansas losing changes nothing about the Big 12's status as a power conference. Ask yourself this...and maybe this is a better question for all of us...
Would Kansas cheer for us if the roles were reversed? And if "No" is the answer...then do we then root for them in this case so we don't stoop to their pathetic level as fans?

Flawed logic. I'm a fan of ISU, who happens to be in the Big 12. That has not changed from the days of the Big 8 through the various configurations of the Big 12. The conference may change; my fandom does not. It does not make me less of an ISU fan if I do or do not root for Kansas or any other Big 12 teams.

 

[randomfan44]

We beat Kansas at Allen Fieldhouse

ISU needed that epic comeback with an all time amount of threes to finish 4 games behind KU.

 

[BeneventiCy28]

ISU needed that epic comeback with an all time amount of threes to finish 4 games behind KU.

And Kansas needed a banked 3 buzzer beater to send it to OT andbeat us a few years ago. I'm not rooting one way or the other because it doesn't matter what I want. If KU plays like they did Thursday, they aren't losing to anyone, plain and simple.

But I was merely pointing out a fact from this season.

 

[Cynonymous]

Kansas losing changes nothing about the Big 12's status as a power conference. Ask yourself this...and maybe this is a better question for all of us...
Would Kansas cheer for us if the roles were reversed? And if "No" is the answer...then do we then root for them in this case so we don't stoop to their pathetic level as fans?

The perception is not logical or very factual once you dig into it, but that doesn't change the fact that it does happen. Ask yourself this, is there any fan or media reaction around the country once the Big Ten was eliminated from the tournament? Is there any fan reaction thinking the SEC may have been overlooked outside of Kentucky due to results in the tournament? Pac 12 outside of UCLA? We all know that actual facts support a strong Big 12 position year after year. This is merely about perception.

 

[ExCyment]

Kansas to win it all would be my choice. What good does their loss or any other team winning do us? At least them winning props of the conference nationally and indirect props up ISU.