So is Roy that much better than Self ...

[randomfan44]

KU isn't used to not getting calls in the tournament. I think that is their biggest Achilles heel. Self is a great coach and they have great players

Then how has KU won more tourney games than everyone except Carolina since 2000?

The refs had nothing to do with Kansas losing to Oregon. Jackson missed a ton of the first half, KU missed a ton of open threes and Oregon hit some tough ones. KU led in free throw attemps 17-3 until a few intentional fouls by KU in the last minute.

Playing this off as KU is used to getting the ref bias but doesnt get it in the tourney is simply incorrect.

 

[CyTwins]

Then how has KU won more tourney games than everyone except Carolina since 2000?

The refs had nothing to do with Kansas losing to Oregon. Jackson missed a ton of the first half, KU missed a ton of open threes and Oregon hit some tough ones. KU led in free throw attemps 17-3 until a few intentional fouls by KU in the last minute.

Playing this off as KU is used to getting the ref bias but doesnt get it in the tourney is simply incorrect.

When you get the calls all year long you are going to put yourself in a good situation to rack up wins in the tournament until the dreaded Elite 8 game.

 

[ZB4CY]

**** Bill Self


**** KU

 

[randomfan44]

When you get the calls all year long you are going to put yourself in a good situation to rack up wins in the tournament until the dreaded Elite 8 game.

I feel sad for you that this is a real conversation.

 

[CyTwins]

I feel sad for you that this is a real conversation.

It's OK to be blinded by what real goes on. You're a true fan so I don't blame you. Everyone knows KU gets the benefit of the whistle during the season

 

[randomfan44]

It's OK to be blinded by what real goes on. You're a true fan so I don't blame you. Everyone knows KU gets the benefit of the whistle during the season

So make your case with more than just a claim. Prove that NOT getting a favorable whistle is what cost them vs. Oregon. You can't because its nothing more than a dumb story. Like I said, they were up 17-3 in free throw attempts with 1 minute left.

Your theory should at least have some sort of actual evidence to back it up. Mine is that they couldn't make a three to save their life and my evidence is that the box score says "5-25" under the stat titled "3PT".

Make your case, smart guy.

 

[CyTwins]

So make your case with more than just a claim. Prove that NOT getting a favorable whistle is what cost them vs. Oregon. You can't because its nothing more than a dumb story. Like I said, they were up 17-3 in free throw attempts with 1 minute left.

Your theory should at least have some sort of actual evidence to back it up. Mine is that they couldn't make a three to save their life and my evidence is that the box score says "5-25" under the stat titled "3PT".

Make your case, smart guy.

I never said it was the reason they lost to Oregon. I think they lost in the Elite 8 just because of karma and how shady the program was run this year. I'm talking about previous years when they've flamed out

 

[TykeClone]

KU isn't used to not getting calls in the tournament. I think that is their biggest Achilles heel. Self is a great coach and they have great players

That is probably the right answer. The Big IIXII does KU no favors by treating them favorably with the reffing.

 

[randomfan44]

I never said it was the reason they lost to Oregon. I think they lost in the Elite 8 just because of karma and how shady the program was run this year. I'm talking about previous years when they've flamed out

What a cop out.

"Well......it wasnt actually this time. It was all those other times...."

Weak.

 

[CyTwins]

What a cop out.

"Well......it wasnt actually this time. It was all those other times...."

Weak.

I said generally that's why I think it happens. This year was just karma IMO

 

[surly]

Oregon was the better team, period. Anyone suggesting otherwise is delusional.

 

[surly]

Roy hangs his third banner at a school with the worst academic scandal I can ever imagine. All the academics must be very proud of their NCAA leadership that allows championships like this to happen regardless the circumstances.

 

[dtISU]

So make your case with more than just a claim. Prove that NOT getting a favorable whistle is what cost them vs. Oregon. You can't because its nothing more than a dumb story. Like I said, they were up 17-3 in free throw attempts with 1 minute left.

Your theory should at least have some sort of actual evidence to back it up. Mine is that they couldn't make a three to save their life and my evidence is that the box score says "5-25" under the stat titled "3PT".

Make your case, smart guy.

So your point is that Oregon didn't beat KU, the Jayhawks simply beat themselves?

 

[randomfan44]

So your point is that Oregon didn't beat KU, the Jayhawks simply beat themselves?

Every basketball game is a combination of "what did the opponent allow you to do" and "what did you do to yourself". Oregon played very well but if Kansas handles their own business and hits their average number on uncontested jumpers and doesn't shoot themselves in the foot by tipping the ball away from teammates three times on rebounds, then it is a tight ballgame down the stretch and I like KU's chances in that scenario. Oh, well. On to next year. KU will have a salty lineup again if Graham comes back or they can replace him with a top tier recruit like Duval.

 

[CyTwins]

Every basketball game is a combination of "what did the opponent allow you to do" and "what did you do to yourself". Oregon played very well but if Kansas handles their own business and hits their average number on uncontested jumpers and doesn't shoot themselves in the foot by tipping the ball away from teammates three times on rebounds, then it is a tight ballgame down the stretch and I like KU's chances in that scenario. Oh, well. On to next year. KU will have a salty lineup again if Graham comes back or they can replace him with a top tier recruit like Duval.

Duval is going to Duke

 

[SpokaneCY]

So your point is that Oregon didn't beat KU, the Jayhawks simply beat themselves?

He's saying that KU got beat because OR was the better team on the floor. Not because they grew soft throughout the year because the refs carried their water.

 

[HFCS]

Roy was much worse in Big 12 play. We beat him 5 times in a row once and took two consecutive Big 12 regular season titles from Roy. No B12 team has ever gotten close to that level of beat down against Self unfortunately.

Roy is also a pretty horrible human being compared to Self from what I've seen of the way they handle themselves and their team. Roy's players were absolute punks and he encouraged it. The only reason I loathe KU under Self is the ridiculous officiating they often get.

 

[SpokaneCY]

I'm not sure how you rank 1 above the other, other than use simple emotion. Both coaches are leading top tier programs and have for years. Both coaches bring in fantastic recruiting classes and have for years. I'd probably say Self has been more consistent at KU than Roy but Roy has more banners. I think Self's string of conference titles is WAY more impressive as it shows they can play at an elite status for long periods of time. That is way tough and shows superior coaching skills to get that much out of them for prolonged periods of time.

They can both go roger themselves though.

 

[rholtgraves]

Duval is going to Duke

I think so too, mostly because I would bet on Graham going back to KU.

 

[CyTwins]

I think so too, mostly because I would bet on Graham going back to KU.

Put me in the camp that doesn't care at all what Graham does.