Texas eyes a conundrum ...

[surly]

Things came to a head this week after photos surfaced showing quarterback Sam Ehlinger standing alone without his teammates and singing the song after a tough loss to Oklahoma. Tom Herman said he’ll continue to sing the song along with Ehlinger.

Texas AD Tells Players To Stand For 'Eyes Of Texas' As Longhorns Season Implodes

The Texas Longhorns (2-2) aren't back and things aren't pretty inside the program. Athletic director Chris Del Conte angered some players and fans on Wednesday when he said that players need to 'stand together as a unified group'' and 'show appreciation for our university, fans, and supporters'...

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[Sigmapolis]

 

[TXCyclones]

Things came to a head this week after photos surfaced showing quarterback Sam Ehlinger standing alone without his teammates and singing the song after a tough loss to Oklahoma. Tom Herman said he’ll continue to sing the song along with Ehlinger.

Texas AD Tells Players To Stand For 'Eyes Of Texas' As Longhorns Season Implodes

The Texas Longhorns (2-2) aren't back and things aren't pretty inside the program. Athletic director Chris Del Conte angered some players and fans on Wednesday when he said that players need to 'stand together as a unified group'' and 'show appreciation for our university, fans, and supporters'...

www.outkick.com

Mensa... my a**. Herman is a Wyle E. Coyote-level super genius.

 

[06_CY]

The AD is adding fuel to the fire and comes off as tone deaf.

 

[dualthreat]

 

[Clonefan32]

Seems to me like a simple hearing out of both sides would go a long ways. There was a good article written a week or so ago about Meyers Leonard of the Heat and why he stood for the anthem while everyone else knelt. Sounds like the Heat just had an open discussion about why each person felt the way they did and they were able to respect each other's feelings.

I can't imagine anyone's rational is based in anything entirely unreasonable. Seems like they just needs to hear each other out. I'm not sure there's anyone less qualified to do that than Tom Herman, who strikes me as a self-absorbed doofus.

Also, what a silly take by the AD. The National Anthem debate is at least rooted in deference to soldiers and those who gave their lives. What exactly is the "Eyes of Texas" in deference to? It's a silly song about a school and I can't see the rational behind drawing a line in the sand over it.

 

[ISUTex]

Why aren't they staying out for the school song, or eyes of texas, or whatever it is?

 

[Bader]

Seems to me like a simple hearing out of both sides would go a long ways. There was a good article written a week or so ago about Meyers Leonard of the Heat and why he stood for the anthem while everyone else knelt. Sounds like the Heat just had an open discussion about why each person felt the way they did and they were able to respect each other's feelings.

I can't imagine anyone's rational is based in anything entirely unreasonable. Seems like they just needs to hear each other out. I'm not sure there's anyone less qualified to do that than Tom Herman, who strikes me as a self-absorbed doofus.

I'm not sure why you think this guy isn't capable of having a conversation like that

Did you know he's in MENSA?

 

[Clonefan32]

Why aren't they staying out for the school song, or eyes of texas, or whatever it is?

I haven't read too closely, but apparently there are some racial implications to the song, or the origin of the song, or something of that nature.

 

[Bader]

I haven't read too closely, but apparently there are some racial implications to the song, or the origin of the song, or something of that nature.

To be clear I haven't seen any statements from players (nor likely will you), but that song originated during a minstrel show on campus in the early 1900s

 

[DarkStar]

To be clear I haven't seen any statements from players (nor likely will you), but that song originated during a minstrel show on campus in the early 1900s

Here's why Texas Longhorn athletes say the 'Eyes of Texas' song has racist undertones

UT Professor Dr. Edmond Gordan explains the nodes of racism aren’t in the ‘The Eyes of Texas’ lyrics but in the song’s past.

www.khou.com

The Damning History Behind UT's 'The Eyes of Texas' Song

Student athletes wrote a letter urging officials to change the tune, which was first performed in a minstrel show.

www.texasmonthly.com

 

[Sigmapolis]

I haven't read too closely, but apparently there are some racial implications to the song, or the origin of the song, or something of that nature.

To be clear I haven't seen any statements from players (nor likely will you), but that song originated during a minstrel show on campus in the early 1900s

The lyrics do have a creepy "overseer watching slaves" vibe to them, too.

To be fair, "ISU Fights" is kind of sexist. It does say "loyal sons," not "loyal children," at one point.

 

[Prone2Clone]

 

[Clonefan32]

The lyrics do have a creepy "overseer watching slaves" vibe to them, too.

To be fair, "ISU Fights" is kind of sexist. It does say "loyal sons," not "loyal children," at one point.

That's where I come down on it too. In reading those articles, it falls somewhat close to the line. Performed at a ministrel show, but it does not appear the intent was racial in nature, and it appears the ministrel part was selected due to a large audience as opposed to racist reasons. The origins seem fairly innocuous.

However, the words certainly do have a creepy connotation, especially with the history of the phrase being rooted in a phrase used by Robert E. Lee.

Like all other things of this nature, far be it from me, white guy from the suburbs, to tell minorities what is or is not racist. If they are troubled by it the University should at least address it.

 

[surly]

To be clear I haven't seen any statements from players (nor likely will you), but that song originated during a minstrel show on campus in the early 1900s

The song actually has ties to Robert E. Lee who phrased it: The eyes of the south ...

Texas's turn-of-the-century president changed Lee's words to "the eyes of Texas are upon you" in a graduation speech. Students picked up on it, put some lyrics around it, and thus came the song The Eyes of Texas.

The problem is not only with Robert E. Lee, the real issue is that those students first brought the song in a minstrel show, meaning they were in black face at the time.

But it is not a silly song. To say that is to not understand Texas. The Eyes are played not only at UT events but at every kind of social occasion, like weddings since written in 1903.

 

[jsb]

Jesus. Who the hell cares if they stay out for the school song. It isn’t a god damned cult.

 

[knowlesjam]

Things came to a head this week after photos surfaced showing quarterback Sam Ehlinger standing alone without his teammates and singing the song after a tough loss to Oklahoma. Tom Herman said he’ll continue to sing the song along with Ehlinger.

Texas AD Tells Players To Stand For 'Eyes Of Texas' As Longhorns Season Implodes

The Texas Longhorns (2-2) aren't back and things aren't pretty inside the program. Athletic director Chris Del Conte angered some players and fans on Wednesday when he said that players need to 'stand together as a unified group'' and 'show appreciation for our university, fans, and supporters'...

www.outkick.com

Mollycoddle? Damn, learned a neat, new word today!

Oh...and looks like another Horns Down opportunity!

 

[Sigmapolis]

That's where I come down on it too. In reading those articles, it falls somewhat close to the line. Performed at a ministrel show, but it does not appear the intent was racial in nature, and it appears the ministrel part was selected due to a large audience as opposed to racist reasons. The origins seem fairly innocuous.

However, the words certainly do have a creepy connotation, especially with the history of the phrase being rooted in a phrase used by Robert E. Lee.

Like all other things of this nature, far be it from me, white guy from the suburbs, to tell minorities what is or is not racist. If they are troubled by it the University should at least address it.

I just do not know where you stop digging for the historical origins of things sometimes.

The history of our species is not a pretty one. Our ancestors, even the relatively recent ones, were not peaceful, welcoming, and open-minded people. Go looking for it, and you can tear down just about anything.

There is eventually just nothing left that is not more-or-less from and created by the moral and ethical mores of the recent present. And even those are going to become outdated and retrograde in short order.

Loyal sons forever true
And we will fight that battle through.
And when we hit the line we'll hit it hard,
every yard for I-S-U!

What about the daughters...? What about those who are both or neither?

 

[ISUTex]

Jesus. Who the hell cares if they stay out for the school song. It isn’t a god damned cult.

You sure about that?

 

[tman24]

maybe they are just social distancing?