vs Kansas 10/24 6:30pm

**Dryburn** · 10-24-2012, 08:41 PM

Glad they won. Just wish they could do something about that 3rd set problem. They just seem to lack a killer instinct some times, especially against better teams where they need it most.

**Royalclone** · 10-24-2012, 08:45 PM

Blocking and getting blocked has been our nemesis. Tory Knuth seems to have a little more length and gets the other team out of rhythm. Need to start seeing more of her. If not starting maybe as a way to keep from getting stale when coming out after the break. BIG WIN!

I can see KU only losing to Texas and maybe KSU because it's in Manhattan. That means we have to run the table for sole possession of 2nd.

**psyclone51** · 10-24-2012, 11:16 PM

Good answer. One final bit. The libero has the restrictions, of course, but also the benefit of being "almost permanent." Allowing for the libero prevented coached from constantly switching players on the receive in order to have her/his best defensive players on the court. The libero stays in, thus reducing a lot of this replacement.

**psyclone51** · 10-24-2012, 11:22 PM

Don't get your girdles in a knot. Girls were down by 8 points at one point, and came back to get a 2 point lead. Too bad they didn't seal the deal, but that was one heck of a comeback.

And by the way, to all you armchair VB coaches, whenever you question Christy, remember you are criticizing one of the best VB coaches in the country. She wants to win games, but she also wants to be prepared for the tournament. She coaches accordingly. Like the pre-season schedule that was anything but a creampuff. She is not untouchable, but before you hit enter, better be sure what you are talking about, lest you reveal more than you hope to reveal..... Just sayin'

**cy4prez7** · 10-25-2012, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by psyclone51

Don't get your girdles in a knot. Girls were down by 8 points at one point, and came back to get a 2 point lead. Too bad they didn't seal the deal, but that was one heck of a comeback.

And by the way, to all you armchair VB coaches, whenever you question Christy, remember you are criticizing one of the best VB coaches in the country. She wants to win games, but she also wants to be prepared for the tournament. She coaches accordingly. Like the pre-season schedule that was anything but a creampuff. She is not untouchable, but before you hit enter, better be sure what you are talking about, lest you reveal more than you hope to reveal..... Just sayin'

I believe it is you he needs not to get your girdles in a knot. (whatever that means).

As for the game the girls played hard and instead of curling up into a ball they fought back and that was awesome to see! Hopefully they can ride some momentum from this win!

**cowgirl836** · 10-25-2012, 07:19 AM

shoot! forgot about this game last night, glad we got the win!

**gizzsdad** · 10-25-2012, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by mred

I'm no expert on volleyball, but here is how the libero is typically used:

1. They are usually the team's best back-row player
2. They sub in for two players on the opposite sides of the 6-player rotation. They play through three rotations (playing all three back row rotation spots), come out briefly, then come back in for the other player they are replacing (who is now just entering the back row)
3. They can only serve for one of the two players they replace. The other player they replace must serve for herself (while the libero is out of the game), and the libero comes in for her after that player is done serving.
4. Back row players can never attack, block, or set in front of the back row line. Since the libero is always a back row player, they are always under this restriction.

mred is mostly right. Most liberos play for the middles in the back row, some teams use them for the outsides - always depending on which players are more effective in the back row. But they can actually play all six back row positions if the coach so desires - but it is exceedingly rare for them to play more than two or three positions.

They can only serve in one position in the rotation.

When they replace a player - that same player must replace them when they rotate to the front row. When they are replaced, they must be off the floor for at least one "completed" rally. The exception to this is when they are going to serve - then the libero rotates into the service position and is not required to leave for a rally. When this happens, you will see the two middles/outsides switch with each other. This is essentially two libero replacements.

The other big advantage for a coach is that, besides hopefully having a more effective back row player, libero replacements do not count against the 15 (up from 12 last year) substitution limit. "Replacements" are required to happen over the sideline between the three meter line and the end line - and are NOT administered by the 2nd referee. Substitutions are administered in FRONT of the three meter line by the 2nd referee.

Host management is required to provide an assistant scorekeeper (libero tracker), who sits next to the official scorekeeper, and her main job is to ensure that all libero replacements are "proper" (legal). If an improper libero replacement occurs - the assistant scorekeeper immediately notifies the 2nd referee.

Not quite correct about back row players not being able to set in the front zone. When we run a 5-1 offense, the setter is back row for 3/6 rotations and there is no restriction on her ability to set in the front zone.

The limitation is that - if the libero finds herself in the front zone playing a second team contact, she can "bump" set, and anyone can attack the ball as they normally would. However, if she sets the ball overhand - with finger action, and anyone attacks the ball above the level of the net, it is a fault and signaled as a back row attack. Teams will usually communicate in this circumstance and let the attacking player know that she needs to let the ball drop below the net before attacking, often as a "push" or roll shot.

One other limitation is that all non-libero players can attack the ball above the level of the net - even back row players if they take off behind the three meter line. Liberos can NEVER attack the ball above the level of the net -even behind the three meter line.

Cyclone fans may also be interested to know that ISU is using electronic score keeping software this year, as opposed to a paper score sheet.

**Royalclone** · 10-25-2012, 06:51 PM

Thanks Gd. It's still amazing all the things the coaches, refs, and players have to keep track of in this game. Certainly more complicated than in PE or Parks & Rec co-ed.