***Official WBB Iowa State vs. Kansas State Gameday Thread***

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WBB experts...How confident should we be about ISU getting in?

I'm no expert but us hosting probably will help our chances a bit.

Hosting isn't supposed to have an impact on getting into the NCAAs. That doesn't mean it's not in the back of their minds, however, especially with the powerhouse attendance numbers Iowa State gets.

Now that Jerry Palm's quit (who was the better of the two), the only major women's bracketologist I know of is Charlie Creme. He has ISU in as the third-to-last team in the tournament. Presumably they'll drop somewhat after today, probably out. Comparing ISU's wins/losses to the other bubble teams, I think he's underranking Iowa State a bit, but I still wouldn't put ISU's chances of getting in better than about 70%.

[Dryburn]

I love this team, but I think they are in trouble.

Pop has not been effective or had a good game since she got her black eye. Either something is off there, or the other teams have figured out a way to stop her, and thus stop Iowa State.

[cyrocksmypants]

Does our history and what BF has done help us as a potential bubble team getting in? Plus, I know we started slow, but finished stronger, that should help, right?

[Polarbears]

Big 12 is by far the best league in the country.

On the bright side, we won't have to worry about being a 9 seed and seeing a top seed at Hilton. Should we get in. Maybe even locked an 11, and will play to face a 3.

[Cyclonestate78]

Big 12 is by far the best league in the country.

This is why ISU will get in.

[isuno1fan]

ISU is in the tournament...

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The last four teams in, according to Creme. All these teams are done for the season.

Temple: RPI 48; 0-5 v. top 25; 2-3 v. 26-50; 6-0 v. 51-100; bad loss @209

Iowa State: RPI 44 (before today); 3-7 v. top 25; 3-3 v. 26-50; 2-2 v. 51-100; no bad losses

Michigan State: RPI 64; 2-3 v. top 25; 2-4 v. 26-50; 1-1 v. 51-100; bad losses 111, @122, v202

Texas: RPI 46 (before yesterday); 2-7 v. top 25; 2-3 v. 26-50; 4-3 v. 51-100; no bad losses

Even with the loss, I think we're the strongest of these four teams, and unless some mid-majors lose out or some other bubble teams make strong tournament runs (either of which could reasonably happen), I think we're probably on the right side of the bubble.

[twistedredbird]

Michigan St should not be in the tourney. ISU and KSU are in. The question is TX or Tech or KS. Will one of them make it.

Temple is a big ? mark for me as is Florida.

What probably hurts us is we dont have a marquee win or a couple big non con wins that we have had in the past. However we dont have the bad losses that some of the other bubble teams do.

Creme is not putting much cred in RPI or sagarin ratings this year. He thinks that the Big 12 rpi is inflated.

ISU as a 10 seed is pretty accurate but KSU deserves a higher seed due to their non con and OU as a 8 is an insult. AM COULD BE A 3 or 4. Personally I dont see TX in but Creme does. I would slot in KU before TX.

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The first eight teams out, according to Creme.

North Carolina: RPI 87; 1-9 v. top 25; 0-1 v. 26-50; 4-0 v. 51-100; bad loss 245; done for season

USC: RPI 30; 1-5 v. top 25; 2-1 v. 26-50; 6-2 v. 51-100; no bad losses; playing 125 this evening (PAC-12 tourney)

Michigan: RPI 45; 0-4 v. top 25; 4-3 v. 26-50; 1-3 v. 51-100; bad loss @167; done for season

James Madison: RPI 34; 0-1 v. top 25; 1-1 v. 26-50; 7-3 v. 51-100; bad loss @188; playing tomorrow (CAA tourney)

Oklahoma State: RPI 52 (before yesterday); 2-6 v. top 25; 3-3 v. 26-50; 2-1 v. 51-100; bad losses v116, v117; done for season

Kansas: RPI 47; 1-6 v. top 25; 3-2 v. 26-50; 5-1 v. 51-100; bad losses 116, @178; playing 8 this evening (Big 12 tourney)

Wake Forest: RPI 83; 1-7 v. top 25; 0-2 v. 26-50; 3-3 v. 51-100; no bad losses; done for season

Arizona State: RPI 66; 0-3 v. top 25; 0-3 v. 26-50; 4-2 v. 51-100; bad loss @108; playing 166 this evening (PAC-12 tourney)

There's no way Iowa State doesn't get in before North Carolina, Oklahoma State, or Wake Forest. I would say the same about Michigan except we lost head-to-head against them; still, our complete folio is stronger than theirs.

I don't think James Madison will get in before us -- we just want Delaware to win the CAA tournament to make it a one-bid league.

USC might look slightly weaker than us now (despite the gaudy RPI), but a good run in the Pac-12 tourney could put them in front of us. If they beat California to get to the finals, I think they're probably ahead of Iowa State.

Arizona State would need a win over Stanford on Friday to have a chance to make it in. Not happening.

Kansas isn't going to beat A&M this evening. But if they do, I'm worried.

[Kitkat]

22.7% three point shooting. Ouch.

I don't think the threes did us in and our guards played well on offense; rather, the point total for our inside players was 19, and Childs alone scored well over that number.

[Clonehomer]

So let's say we don't make the NCAA's. Would the fact we're hosting the NCAA's preclude us from hosting NIT games?

[twistedredbird]

Agree. The difference in this game was post play. Pop was in foul trouble and missed a couple key layups, Anna struggled, and Childs could not miss. Loz, Moody and Chaz played their butts off.

[Dryburn]

Chelsea has not been "right" the last 3 games, ever since she got that black eye. That concerns me. Honestly, she just seems a little out of it or something.

[jbhtexas]

Plus, I know we started slow, but finished stronger, that should help, right?

Someone posted a couple of weeks ago in one of the MBB threads that the selection committees are no longer supposed to consider how teams finish, because that can create bias against teams who have tough end-of-year schedules.

In any case, ISU hasn't exactly finished strong. They've lost 3 out of the last 4, including a stinky loss to OSU, a blowout loss to BU, and then losing today to a team they blew out last week.

I still think ISU is in, although the seed might not be so favorable.

[twistedredbird]

Someone posted a couple of weeks ago in one of the MBB threads that the selection committees are no longer supposed to consider how teams finish, because that can create bias against teams who have tough end-of-year schedules.

In any case, ISU hasn't exactly finished strong. They've lost 3 out of the last 4, including a stinky loss to OSU, a blowout loss to BU, and then losing today to a team they blew out last week.

I still think ISU is in, although the seed might not be so favorable.

Actually, women's tourney is slightly different. They do look at all factors, including injuries, and finishing strong is better than starting strong and fizzling.

I don't mind a 10 seed. Tired of the 8/9 seed. I just don't want to see Green Bay or Rutgers in the first round. How about someone we don't have a history with....