Mays and Harris to transfer

**Clonefan94** · 03-23-2012, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by acoustimac

Do you apply the same standards to the football team that gets much more support and to the men's bball team that also gets more support? If so, then perhaps you should just lose interest in all Cyclone athletics. Unbelievable the crazy comments people make in here.

Maybe he's my old neighbor, who always had a new NFL jersey every year. One year the Steelers, then the Cowboys and amazingly, in the 80s, he switched to San Fran, go figure.

I sometimes wish my fandom were so easily excused that I could get bored with a team and look elsewhere. I don't get how you could get bored with the women's team. Anytime you have a team that you expect to make the tournament is a good team.

**klamath632** · 03-23-2012, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by acgclone

Now that MBB is back, do we still have to pretend that WBB matters?

Originally Posted by BigCojones

Nope

There's no need to be a complete dirtbag. If you don't care about WBB, don't read threads in the WBB forum.

**chadly82** · 03-23-2012, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by everyyard

we need every program to be as successful as it can be. plus, every dollar WBB earns on its own is one less the football program has to give them.

This is true....but the question is...other than that, do we care?

**Buster28** · 03-23-2012, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by chadly82

This is true....but the question is...other than that, do we care?

Yes. Or at least true Cyclone fans who want EVERY sport to succeed do.

**twistedredbird** · 03-23-2012, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by mred

Sounds reasonable to me. Another Cole or Mansfield might be good to add veteran experience to a backcourt that is otherwise entirely freshmen and sophomores.

Seems reasonable and needed. Without Harris, we have 0 guard depth. Vanloo may make it here, may not. If she doesn't, as it stands, we have 4 guards, 2 soph, 2 frosh, to spread across 3 positions(not considering walk-ons), with Vanloo, 2 soph, 3 frosh. One injury and we are up a creek.

Who knows with Mays gone, maybe we could snag both Lang and Trapp. Killer!

**twistedredbird** · 03-23-2012, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Buster28

Yes. Or at least true Cyclone fans who want EVERY sport to succeed do.

Yes...but no matter or not, those who don't like WBB will continue to chime in to tell us they don't like it instead of just moving on. Our best course of action is to ignore them, for all they really care about doing is starting drama.

**mred** · 03-23-2012, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by twistedredbird

Yes...but no matter or not, those who don't like WBB will continue to chime in to tell us they don't like it instead of just moving on. Our best course of action is to ignore them, for all they really care about doing is starting drama.

Or in short, don't feed the trolls.

**jbhtexas** · 03-23-2012, 01:40 PM

Mixed bag I guess. If these two don't posess Big 12 skills, then it is good that they are moving on. But on the other hand, as TornadoMan suggests, the continuing recruiting whiffs are of concern.

It would be interesting to see the "whiff rate" of other Big 12 schools, and how ISU compares.

**cydney** · 03-23-2012, 01:51 PM

Although the comments below refer to mens basketball, it's increasingly applicable to womens bb. It's the nature of today's college-aged students as well as of the current environment for college bb.

Iowa State hoops: Reports say Sledge is leaving, etc. | Des Moines Register Staff Blogs

Don’t even try to make sense of the scholarship numbers game yet, considering college basketball’s postseason is Transfer Season.

“The last two years, there have been over 400 players in Div. I basketball who have transferred,” Auburn coach Tony Barbee wrote in a press release announcing the transfer of some players. “The majority of the time is because it is not a fit one way or the other or from both sides. That is what we have here.

“They are great people, have great character, are great students and they are going to be fantastic basketball players in time if they continue to work and grow. We wish them nothing but the best of luck in wherever they wish to go in all of their future endeavors.”

Transfers happen everywhere, and it’s likely to happen at Iowa State, too.
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**Three4Cy** · 03-23-2012, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by mred

Sounds reasonable to me. Another Cole or Mansfield might be good to add veteran experience to a backcourt that is otherwise entirely freshmen and sophomores.

If we go JUCO we need a scorer. While Chas was a great defender, she wasn't a scorer, and it hurt us playing 4 on 5 on the offensive end.

BF has a scholly to play with, so it wouldn't surprise me if he goes the JUCO route.

**JJ4ISU** · 03-23-2012, 02:20 PM

Regardless of the success our women's basketball program has had in the Fennelly era, I still feel we aren't totally capitalizing on that success or the overall support for the program. With the facilities, crowd support, past success, Big 12, etc., why aren't we getting better talent? Why does Manning from Ankeny sign with Oklahoma? Does Fennelly have a reputation of being too hard on his players? Does he only recruit players that fit our "system?" Does it have anything to do with having a "family-friendly" program? (Seriously)

**Kitkat** · 03-23-2012, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by jbhtexas

Mixed bag I guess. If these two don't posess Big 12 skills, then it is good that they are moving on. But on the other hand, as TornadoMan suggests, the continuing recruiting whiffs are of concern.

It would be interesting to see the "whiff rate" of other Big 12 schools, and how ISU compares.

You raise an interesting point here about how ISU compares to other schools with regard to transfers and/or recruiting whiffs, jbh. I don't have any info about other Big 12 schools, but I can relate an event that occurred in the Rutgers women's program that relates to your concern. Stringer brought in five McDonald All-Americans for her 2008 freshman class at Rutgers. Two of those five transferred by the end of the school year, and in fact one, Brooklyn Pope, ended up at Baylor. Obviously I don't know all the circumstances, and so I could not say whether the coaching staff made mistakes in making the offers, or the recruits, highly talented ones, made mistakes in accepting the offers.

**kcdc4isu** · 03-23-2012, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by JJ4ISU

Regardless of the success our women's basketball program has had in the Fennelly era, I still feel we aren't totally capitalizing on that success or the overall support for the program. With the facilities, crowd support, past success, Big 12, etc., why aren't we getting better talent? Why does Manning from Ankeny sign with Oklahoma? Does Fennelly have a reputation of being too hard on his players? Does he only recruit players that fit our "system?" Does it have anything to do with having a "family-friendly" program? (Seriously)

First she does not fit our style of play. I do not see her playing that much at OU till she is a senior and then maybe not even then. Second we have gotten some good talent over the years but people have to want to come to Ames, IA and want to play the style of ball we play. In our program we only play 6-7 players on a regular basis during the conference season and todat to many players leave a program if they do not start the first year or so and go to a less competitive level. I want players on the team who have bought into ISU Cyclone bb and are willing to work as long & hard as it takes to get playing time. We have had a number of players who in their last two years were great players for us.

**BoxsterCy** · 03-23-2012, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by twistedredbird

Seems reasonable and needed. Without Harris, we have 0 guard depth. Vanloo may make it here, may not. If she doesn't, as it stands, we have 4 guards, 2 soph, 2 frosh, to spread across 3 positions(not considering walk-ons), with Vanloo, 2 soph, 3 frosh. One injury and we are up a creek.

Who knows with Mays gone, maybe we could snag both Lang and Trapp. Killer!

That's why losing Jess will hurt more next year than this. Cole filled the defensive stopper this year. I figure that was Jessicas job for next year as a big guard/small forward. Quick enough for guards and big enough for bigger guard/small forward. We don't have that person on the roster right now and it's been improtant to us as we have evolved into a defense team.

**cydney** · 03-23-2012, 05:00 PM

The team needs strong defenders at guard. While some players are naturally hard-nosed defenders, good defense can be learned, skills can be practiced, and smarts can be acquired through video and scouting reports.

There are a number of examples of ISU wbb players who did not start out strong on defense and matured into great defensive players. It does take a certain personality and attitude though.

As for players who have persisted through little playing time and inconsistency early in their careers and finished with some outstanding performances in their last year or two... Brittany Wilkins might be the best example. Jocelyn Anderson might be in that category also albeit under different circumstances. Amanda Nisleit didn't play many minutes in her first two years, but performed when called on her junior year, and had a great senior season, including becoming a great defender and quiet team leader.