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**ISU_REV** · 03-04-2009, 07:59 PM

KU is blowing out BU with BU's Wilson out!!

**ISUonthemove** · 03-04-2009, 08:05 PM

Does this help us in the standings?

**ISU_REV** · 03-04-2009, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by ISUonthemove

Does this help us in the standings?

It makes our loss to KU feel better.

**CyDude16** · 03-04-2009, 08:13 PM

It hurts us i believe...we really need BU to beat A & M this weekend.

**mred** · 03-04-2009, 08:23 PM

In other games, Tech is leading OU 28-25 at the half...

If OSU can somehow manage to beat A&M tomorrow and this weekend A&M beats Baylor and we beat KU, we'll actually get the 2 seed. It's good for Baylor to lose today so that possibility is open, but if A&M wins tomorrow then we need to root for Baylor to beat A&M. Everyone follow?

A&M loses tomorrow: root for A&M over Baylor Saturday
A&M wins tomorrow: root for Baylor over A&M Saturday

**C.John** · 03-04-2009, 08:34 PM

Say it again mred, but slowly this time.

**mred** · 03-04-2009, 09:09 PM

Big day by the north. KU blew out Baylor and KSU beat up Texas. OU is about to beat Tech.

**trigger1** · 03-04-2009, 09:40 PM

If ISU wins Saturday and Baylor loses, don't we both have 11 - 5 records? And we lost to Baylor. What tiebreaker gives us the advantage? Assuming it must be something with A&M and a three way tie, but I haven't studied the tiebreaker rules like some of you.

Help us out with the explanation. Type real slowly so we can understand!

**CyDude16** · 03-04-2009, 09:41 PM

I wish i could go to the big 12 tourney to watch the girls!

**mred** · 03-04-2009, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by trigger1

If ISU wins Saturday and Baylor loses, don't we both have 11 - 5 records? And we lost to Baylor. What tiebreaker gives us the advantage? Assuming it must be something with A&M and a three way tie, but I haven't studied the tiebreaker rules like some of you.

Help us out with the explanation. Type real slowly so we can understand!

It is the three-way tie. You break intra-divisional ties first. A&M holds the tiebreaker over Baylor -- it comes down to the fact that A&M beat Oklahoma. Then we hold the tiebreaker over A&M head-to-head. If it's only us and Baylor tied, then they of course hold the tiebreaker over us.

**MidwestZest** · 03-04-2009, 09:53 PM

i'm way confused. mred - can you post the seedings that would result from your last two lines of post #5?

**mred** · 03-04-2009, 10:09 PM

All of this assumes we beat Kansas, not even remotely a certainty the way they're playing.

If A&M loses to OSU tomorrow:

an A&M win over Baylor makes a three-way tie among ISU, A&M, and Baylor, and we get the 2 seed--
2. Iowa State (11 - 5) Defeated Texas A&M based on head-to-head record.
3. Texas A&M (11 - 5) Defeated Baylor based on record against #1 South Division teams. Lost to Iowa State based on head-to-head record.
4. Baylor (11 - 5) Lost to Texas A&M based on record against #1 South Division teams.

an A&M loss to Baylor makes Baylor 12-4 and we get the three seed--
2. Baylor (12 - 4)
3. Iowa State (11 - 5)
4. Texas A&M (10 - 6)

If A&M beats OSU tomorrow:

A Baylor win over A&M puts us in a tie with A&M, which we win for the three seed--
2. Baylor (12 - 4)
3. Iowa State (11 - 5) Defeated Texas A&M based on head-to-head record.
4. Texas A&M (11 - 5) Lost to Iowa State based on head-to-head record.

An A&M win over Baylor puts us in a tie with Baylor, which we lose for the four seed--
2. Texas A&M (12 - 4)
3. Baylor (11 - 5) Defeated Iowa State based on head-to-head record.
4. Iowa State (11 - 5) Lost to Baylor based on head-to-head record.

**CycloneRulzzz** · 03-04-2009, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by mred

All of this assumes we beat Kansas, not even remotely a certainty the way they're playing.

If A&M loses to OSU tomorrow:

an A&M win over Baylor makes a three-way tie among ISU, A&M, and Baylor, and we get the 2 seed--
2. Iowa State (11 - 5) Defeated Texas A&M based on head-to-head record.
3. Texas A&M (11 - 5) Defeated Baylor based on record against #1 South Division teams. Lost to Iowa State based on head-to-head record.
4. Baylor (11 - 5) Lost to Texas A&M based on record against #1 South Division teams.

an A&M loss to Baylor makes Baylor 12-4 and we get the three seed--
2. Baylor (12 - 4)
3. Iowa State (11 - 5)
4. Texas A&M (10 - 6)

If A&M beats OSU tomorrow:

A Baylor win over A&M puts us in a tie with A&M, which we win for the three seed--
2. Baylor (12 - 4)
3. Iowa State (11 - 5) Defeated Texas A&M based on head-to-head record.
4. Texas A&M (11 - 5) Lost to Iowa State based on head-to-head record.

An A&M win over Baylor puts us in a tie with Baylor, which we lose for the four seed--
2. Texas A&M (12 - 4)
3. Baylor (11 - 5) Defeated Iowa State based on head-to-head record.
4. Iowa State (11 - 5) Lost to Baylor based on head-to-head record.

What is missing is an ISU loss and KSU win on Sat. gives KSU the 4 seed and ISU is the 5 seed.

**MidwestZest** · 03-04-2009, 10:16 PM

sweet. Gotcha. But, while it looks promising, the most likely scenario is still the 4th seed. At least right now with Wilson out..... But even so, it's the big 12 and A&M has two games to play in 3 days...so a glimmer of hope :-)