Big 12 Preview/Predictions

**Judoka** · 03-04-2011, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by crooksie_26

Question for you guys, if you don't wrestle the conference tourney can you still get a wild card??? For example lets say you are ranked #1 in the nation and you get a skin disease (ringworm, etc...) and don't pass the skin check and can't wrestle the conf meet, the lets say the skin disease is cleared up can you get a wild card??? Or maybe if you don't make weight for the conf meet can you still get a wild card for the NCAA meet???
I would assume it would have something to do w/ your school entering a wrestler at that weight at the conf meet.....

A situation like that is part of why they changed to the new qualifying rules. I think what you would have to do in a situation like that is make weight but then default all of your matches.

In other words, if Sorenson is hurt they could have him weigh in but default his matches, but they can't put Spangler out there and then sub Sorenson back in for NCAAs.

**buf87** · 03-04-2011, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Judoka

A situation like that is part of why they changed to the new qualifying rules. I think what you would have to do in a situation like that is make weight but then default all of your matches.

In other words, if Sorenson is hurt they could have him weigh in but default his matches, but they can't put Spangler out there and then sub Sorenson back in for NCAAs.

Correct. You must wrestle at least 1 sec of the qualifying tournament to be eligible for a wild card. I don't think Spangler or Slifka are even eligible to be considered for a wild card. (I don't think they meet enough criteria)

**Judoka** · 03-05-2011, 02:09 AM

So the Cyclone website is all screwed up and every single bracket goes to 197 pounds. So I can't post the seeding like I had hoped.

Well, except for 197.

197 is:
1) Clayton Foster (OSU)
2( Andy Johnson (Nebraska)
3) Jerome Ward (Iowa State)
4) Brent Haynes (Missouri)
5) Keldrink Hall (Oklahoma)

Cyclones.com won't let me look at 165 or heavy though, which are the ones I am concerned about!

**Judoka** · 03-05-2011, 02:12 AM

Thanks to thewrestlingtalk.com for these, since cyclones.com is all screwed up

2011 Big 12 Championships Seedings

125 pounds

No. 1 Jon Morrison, OSU

No. 2 Jarrod Patterson, OU

No. 3 Alan Waters, MU

No. 4 David Klingsheim, NU

No. 5 Brandon Jones, ISU

*

133 pounds

No. 1 Jordan Oliver, OSU

No. 2 Jordan Keller, OU

No. 3 Ridge Kiley, NU

No. 4 Nathan McCormick, MU

No. 5 Ben Cash, ISU

*

141 pounds

No. 1 Zack Bailey, OU

No. 2 Todd Schavrien, MU

No. 3 Chris Drouin, ISU

No. 4 Mike Koehnlein, NU

No. 5 Josh Kindig, OSU

*

149 pounds

No. 1 Jamal Parks, OSU

No. 2 Nick Lester, OU

No. 3 Kyle Bradley, MU

No. 4 Max Mayfield, ISU

No. 5 Ross Grande, NU

*

157 pounds

No. 1 Neil Erisman, OSU

No. 2 Chase Nelson, OU

No. 3 Nick Gregoris, MU

No. 4 Trent Weatherman, ISU

No. 5 Tyler Koehn, NU

*

165 pounds

No. 1 Jordan Burroughs, NU

No. 2 Tyler Caldwell, OU

No. 3 Zach Toal, MU

No. 4 Chris Spangler, ISU

No. 5 Dallas Bailey, OSU

*

174 pounds

No. 1 Jonathan Reader, ISU

No. 2 Mike Benefiel, OSU

No. 3 Dorian Henderson, MU

No. 4 Caleb Kolb, NU

No. 5 Jeff James, OU

*

184 pounds

No. 1 Chris Perry, OSU

No. 2 Josh Ihnen, NU

No. 3 Erich Schmidtke, OU

No. 4 Mike Larson, MU

No. 5 Cole Shafer, ISU

*

197 pounds

No. 1 Clayton Foster, OSU

No. 2 Andy Johnson, NU

No. 3 Jerome Ward, ISU

No. 4 Brent Haynes, MU

No. 5 Keldrick Hall, OU

*

285 pounds

No. 1 Dom Bradley, MU

No. 2 Tucker Lane% C NT0D

No. 3%2‘Nathan Fernandez, OU

No. 4 Blake Rosholt, OSU

No. 5 Kyle Simonson, ISU

Note that Spangler is in at 165, but Simonson weighed in at heavy.

Anybody know what happened to Sorenson? Since we aren't in the team race I'd hate to think that Jackson threw him out there just because he might score us some points. What kind of injury takes four weeks (last wee, this week, and 2 weeks to NCAAs) to heal?

I have high hopes for Spangler next season, but for this season, Sorenson has won the spot, so it he doesn't have a broken arm.leg or a torn ligament I'd be disappointed with the decision not to let him wrestle at the NCAAs (sincewe have already auto qualified 5 at 165)

**illinoiscyclone** · 03-05-2011, 02:27 AM

I am about 90% sure Sorenson is done. I haven't personally talked to him in a few weeks, but thats what I have been hearing.

How do tickets work for this thing? Can you just get them at the door? Anyone know how much?

**Judoka** · 03-05-2011, 02:39 AM

141 is the only weight I didn't have correct (not counting Spangler). with Koehnlein and Kindig switched. At 141 Spangler got the 4th seed where I had given Sorenson the 3rd seed.

4th vs. 5th doesn't matter at all match wise, but it is nice to see that our backup 165 pounder was seeded higher than the #10 ranked guy in the nation.

**Judoka** · 03-05-2011, 02:40 AM

Originally Posted by illinoiscyclone

I am about 90% sure Sorenson is done. I haven't personally talked to him in a few weeks, but thats what I have been hearing.

How do tickets work for this thing? Can you just get them at the door? Anyone know how much?

Tickets are like $20 at the door and I'm sure they will be available.

By done do you mean for his year, or period? I was really hoping to see him and Spangler split 165/174 next year.

**TedKumsher** · 03-05-2011, 09:45 AM

Minor point to add -- you can actually win 1 match and still take 5th place if you're the 4th or 5th seed. Unless I totally misremember from previous years.

**TedKumsher** · 03-05-2011, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by buf87

It is my understanding that if the guy that earns the automatic bid does not wrestle, the bid is lost an goes to the at large pool. In this case Sorenson and Simonson both earned automatic bids, so if they don't wrestle the bid is lost.

I don't actually know, but that seems logically contradictory. It's the conference as a whole that earns the automatic bids based on wrestlers' performances, and the conference uses the tournament to decide who to send in those automatic spots, and then the NCAA figures out wildcards. Otherwise, why wouldn't the NCAA just give the bid to the wrestler that earned it, without regard for the tournament?

But again, I don't actually know.

**illinoiscyclone** · 03-05-2011, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Judoka

Tickets are like $20 at the door and I'm sure they will be available.

By done do you mean for his year, or period? I was really hoping to see him and Spangler split 165/174 next year.

Just this year. It probably has something to do with the injury that has been bothering him all year.

**Judoka** · 03-05-2011, 01:31 PM

Here's how we stand so far...

At 125 Jones lost 7-6 to Klingsheim of Nebraska in the pigtail.

At 133 Cash beet McKormick 9-6 but then lost to Oliver. As long as Kiley beats McCormick in their match Cash will qualify for sure I believe. If McCormick beats Kiley and then beats Cash for 3th then he'll have to wrestle Kiley for that last slot.

At 141 Drioun lost to Schavrien 3-6. Still can qualify with a single win today

At 149 Mayfield won over Grande from Nebraska 2-1 in overtime but lost 7-4 to Parts from OSU. He can still get third, but with only one qualifier I don't see him getting a wild card.

at 157 Weatherman beat Koehn from Nebraska 3-2 but lost to Erisman 4-12. He also can still get third, but with only one qualifier won't be going to the NCAAs.

At 165 Spangler beat Bailey from OSU but then had his third loss of the year to Buroughs. He will qualify.

At 174 Reader got a major decision and is in the finals

At 184 Shafar pinned Larson but lost to Perry. He is in a similar situation to Cash and may or may not need another win to qualify.

At 197 Ward bear Johnson from Nebraska 3-2 and is in the finals.

At Heavy Simonson beat Rosholt 2-1 but then lost to Bradley. He is in the same spot as Cash and Shafer for qualifying.

2 guys in the finals. 7 guys still alive to qualify. We got the upsets we needed at 133, 184, and Heavy, but the day isn't over yet.

**Judoka** · 03-05-2011, 01:32 PM

McCormick won at 133, so Cash will face him again. With a win he will qualify. With a loss he wrestles Kiley of NU for true 4th and that last spot to Philly.

Kinda sucks for Cash since if Kiley had won that match he'd be assured of a spot win or lose.

**Judoka** · 03-05-2011, 02:01 PM

Schmiddke beats Larson at 184. So Shafer has qualified win or lose.

**Judoka** · 03-05-2011, 02:11 PM

Lane beat Rosholt at Heavy. So Simonson is also in win or lose

So Spangler (165), Reader (174), Shafer (184), Ward (197), and Simonson (285) are going to Philly.

Cash needs to either beat McCormick a second time or beat Kiley to go to Philly.

Drioun is our one disappointment of the day. He needs Kindig to lose to Koehnlein (Kindig won over Kohnlein with a fall in the pigtails), and then to beat Kindig. Drioun would have a very good shot at a wildcard if this doesn't happen.

**Judoka** · 03-05-2011, 02:12 PM

Cash just lost 0-5 to McCormick. He'll be wrestling Kiley for that last spot.

Cash lost to Kiley 0-3 in the dual two weeks ago. But he also lost to McCormick by a major in the dual and was able to get that win. Keep your fingers crossed.