Final Intermat rankings

**1100011CS** · 03-08-2011, 10:39 AM

**Judoka** · 03-08-2011, 10:41 AM

Like I posted in the Big 12 thread, having Sorenson go down to injury killed our very legit chances of placing in the top 10 in Philly.

**brett108** · 03-08-2011, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Judoka

Like I posted in the Big 12 thread, having Sorenson go down to injury killed our very legit chances of placing in the top 10 in Philly.

Whats the prognosis for his injury? Is it going to require surgery?

**1100011CS** · 03-08-2011, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Judoka

Like I posted in the Big 12 thread, having Sorenson go down to injury killed our very legit chances of placing in the top 10 in Philly.

A couple observations:

Iowa isn't losing much next year.
184 has only one senior ranked.

**Judoka** · 03-08-2011, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by brett108

Whats the prognosis for his injury? Is it going to require surgery?

No idea, but he isn't eligible for a wild card anyways. I have to think that if there was a decent chance of it being healed in time for nationals they would have sent him out there and had him default out to 5th place (since he had auto-qualified).

Given how bad Spangler's ankle was on Saturday, I'm not sure if he'd be able to compete in Philly even if he somehow got a wild card tommorow. Which is also too bad, because he would have had a shot at getting to the round of 12 at least, though obviously not as high a chance of AAing as Sorenson.

But going from having 3 guys you expect to score a lot of points (Reader, Sorenson, Ward), to only 2, is a huge hit to our likely team total.

**CyBroncos** · 03-08-2011, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Judoka

But going from having 3 guys you expect to score a lot of points (Reader, Sorenson, Ward), to only 2, is a huge hit to our likely team total.

Ward is completely unpredictable. He could go to Philly and get on the medal stand or he could flame out early. He's not a guy you "expect to score a lot of points."

**CyBroncos** · 03-08-2011, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by 1100011CS

A couple observations:

Iowa isn't losing much next year.
184 has only one senior ranked.

Iowa will be very tough next year but so will Penn State and Oklahoma State. Should be an interesting team race again next year as well

**Judoka** · 03-08-2011, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by CyBroncos

Ward is completely unpredictable. He could go to Philly and get on the medal stand or he could flame out early. He's not a guy you "expect to score a lot of points."

Reader could also go 0-2 and not score us a single point, but if you go by season performance so far and rankings, Ward is anywhere from a mid-AA to falling just short of the round of 12.

Either he or Drioun is the 3rd best starter on the team (since I'd really think Spangler is the 3rd best guy in the room) , there is no question about that. He would have been our 3rd best point scorer, but with 165 out and Drioun having post concussion struggles he'll likely be our second biggest.

**GoCubsGo** · 03-08-2011, 12:54 PM

149 should be a great class at NCAA's, with Caldwell (I'd sort of forgotten about him), Dake, Molinaro, and Marion. 157 will also be interesting to see if Taylor can run the table.

**CyBroncos** · 03-08-2011, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by GoCubsGo

149 should be a great class at NCAA's, with Caldwell (I'd sort of forgotten about him), Dake, Molinaro, and Marion. 157 will also be interesting to see if Taylor can run the table.

I assume you mean Montell Marion...he's at 141

A Caldwell-Dake final at 149 would be a real treat as would Burroughs-Howe at 165.

I think 133 is going to be a wild weight class and I'm looking forward to seeing how the top three of Reader, Ruth and Lewnes shakes out at 174

Should be a great nationals with a wide open team race

**GoCubsGo** · 03-08-2011, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by CyBroncos

I assume you mean Montell Marion...he's at 141

A Caldwell-Dake final at 149 would be a real treat as would Burroughs-Howe at 165.

I think 133 is going to be a wild weight class and I'm looking forward to seeing how the top three of Reader, Ruth and Lewnes shakes out at 174

Should be a great nationals with a wide open team race

Yep, don't know why I was thinking that Marion was at 149. As for 174, hopefully Ruth and Lewnes are on the same side of the bracket so that Reader only has to beat one of them for the title.

**brett108** · 03-08-2011, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by GoCubsGo

Yep, don't know why I was thinking that Marion was at 149. As for 174, hopefully Ruth and Lewnes are on the same side of the bracket so that Reader only has to beat one of them for the title.

Reader has been getting better and better, and he already owns a victory over Lewnes. I don't see Ruth being able to beat Lewnes, so I think reader is in a good position going into the NCAAs if these are 1,2,and 3.

**Judoka** · 03-08-2011, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by brett108

Reader has been getting better and better, and he already owns a victory over Lewnes. I don't see Ruth being able to beat Lewnes, so I think reader is in a good position going into the NCAAs if these are 1,2,and 3.

I'd be very suprised if Ruth and Lewnes weren't the 2 and 3 seeds (or vice versa)

**DantheFan** · 03-09-2011, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by brett108

Reader has been getting better and better, and he already owns a victory over Lewnes. I don't see Ruth being able to beat Lewnes, so I think reader is in a good position going into the NCAAs if these are 1,2,and 3.

Actually Ruth already beat Lewnes once this season...fairly handily too.

174 lbs semi-finals Mack Lewnes Cornell vs. Ed Ruth Penn State | 2010 Southern Scuffle | Flowrestling

I still think Reader has a great shot to run the table, no matter who he ends up with. He has tons of experience, highly motivated in his senior season, much improved, and he seems to be healthy this year. He's simply an animal in my opinion. Looking forward to following him through the tournament!

**crooksie_26** · 03-09-2011, 10:21 AM

Yeah but Ruth also lost to Mike Letts of Maryland, in which Letts is ranked right now 10th....But i forsee Ruth being the #2 seed and Lewnes being the #3 seed which is great because that means both will be on the opposite side of Jon if he gets the #1 seed...I see the top 12 seeding going like this...

#1 Jon Reader
#2 Ed Ruth
#3 Mack Lewnes
#4 Colby Covington (I don't like him being on Jon's side, he is pretty good)
#5 Chris Heinrich
#6 Nick Amuchastegui
#7 Ben Bennett
#8 Nick Hefflin
#9 Ethen Lofthouse
#10 Mike Letts
#11 Mike Benefiel
#12 Luke Manuel

So based off of those, Reader would meet Ethen Lofthouse or Hefflin in the quarters, then either Covington or Heinrich in the semis...then Ruth or Lewnes in the finals....Now the best would be if Heinrich and Nick Am switched spots as i'd rather have Heinrich on the other side, cause that would be a loaded side of the bracket w/ Lewnes, Heinrich and Ruth....