Next Year's Line-up

**Judoka** · 03-20-2011, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Cyforce

I just read an article dated 12-09-10 on Long's transfer and a link to national signing day 2-02-11. Saying we would every recruit a kid to be a non-starter is just sad. When you have 9.9 schollies to offer everyone that gets money comes in with the expectation they will be a starter at some point.

Anyone we bring in this year won't be in the lineup until 2012, Not next year. At the time that recruiting was being done for this year's redshirt class Long was still on the team.

Also, as far as not recruiting non-starters, do you really think we don't have walk-ons who know they probably will never start (or maybe as seniors)? Having quality work out partners is important and guys like Cash and Jones likely came on with that kind of expectations.

Are you just trolling, or are you really this unaware of everything there is to do with Wrestling?

**Balls** · 03-20-2011, 04:06 PM

I think Jackson is a top notch person. Willing to kick off one of your best wrestlers because it's the right thing to do is RIGHT.

However, in sports, doing the right thing doesn't produce national championships. Not saying it can't be done, just that Kevin will have to be that much better than the rest, including Cael, who took the easy route and puts winning above doing what's right.

**buf87** · 03-20-2011, 05:52 PM

125 - Finch -the real deal, potential 4 time AA
- Backup Jones
133 - Cash
Schlosser could wrestle as a true freshman, need to see how bad the year off hurt him. Pena will Redshirt for the future.
141 - Goettl - not sure he's ready for D1 yet.
Not sure on Mayfield
149 - Mayfield and Weatherman to battle it out.
157 - Moreno - has the potential to be very good if he can manage the weight cut
If not Weatherman if he isn't cutting to 149
165 - Sorenson - if healthy a National title contender
174 - Spangler - if healthy a National title contender
184 - Ward - Not sure on his ability to make the cut back down. (That's the plan)
Shafer will be a good backup and push whoever's there
197 - Gadsen - if healthy has potential to AA
backup Ward, Voelker, Hawes
Hwt - Simonson being pushed by Gibson

The only true freshman I see possible wrestling is Schlosser at 133 or 141

**Judoka** · 03-20-2011, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Balls

I think Jackson is a top notch person. Willing to kick off one of your best wrestlers because it's the right thing to do is RIGHT.

However, in sports, doing the right thing doesn't produce national championships. Not saying it can't be done, just that Kevin will have to be that much better than the rest, including Cael, who took the easy route and puts winning above doing what's right.

There was a path for Long to get back on the team, just like Montell Marion came back for Iowa in the second semester. Long decided to get out of Ames, otherwise he would have been starting for us second semester.

**CycloneWarning** · 03-20-2011, 06:16 PM

I have a dumb question as a non-wrestling guy. Why do they name the top 8/6 as AA? It is not like we name 8 tight ends as AA. Why so many in wrestling?

**Scott34** · 03-20-2011, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Judoka

There was a path for Long to get back on the team, just like Montell Marion came back for Iowa in the second semester. Long decided to get out of Ames, otherwise he would have been starting for us second semester.

Yep...was supposed to come back after the semester started but decided that he needed a fresh start in a place that people wouldn't judge him like they prolly would here. Just wish he woulda got his crap together earlier. He would been great for our lineup.

**CYVADER** · 03-20-2011, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by buf87

125 - Finch -the real deal, potential 4 time AA
- Backup Jones
133 - Cash
Schlosser could wrestle as a true freshman, need to see how bad the year off hurt him. Pena will Redshirt for the future.
141 - Goettl - not sure he's ready for D1 yet.
Not sure on Mayfield
149 - Mayfield and Weatherman to battle it out.
157 - Moreno - has the potential to be very good if he can manage the weight cut
If not Weatherman if he isn't cutting to 149
165 - Sorenson - if healthy a National title contender
174 - Spangler - if healthy a National title contender
184 - Ward - Not sure on his ability to make the cut back down. (That's the plan)
Shafer will be a good backup and push whoever's there
197 - Gadsen - if healthy has potential to AA
backup Ward, Voelker, Hawes
Hwt - Simonson being pushed by Gibson

The only true freshman I see possible wrestling is Schlosser at 133 or 141

honest question for you-not doubting you but hoping you can explain:

if weatherman is going to cut to 149 next year, why in the hell didn't he do it this year??? kind of the same for ward-i just don't see him going back down, and if he does, i don't think he'll be near as effective.

**Judoka** · 03-20-2011, 07:32 PM

The only reason I see Weatherman cutting down is I don't think he can beat Moreno for the 157 spot. So faced with the choice of making the cut or not starting, I think that he might try. He's got the next 8 months to do it, so with a nutritionist helping him out I have to think it would be doable.

**brett108** · 03-20-2011, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by ISU BET

honest question for you-not doubting you but hoping you can explain:

if weatherman is going to cut to 149 next year, why in the hell didn't he do it this year??? kind of the same for ward-i just don't see him going back down, and if he does, i don't think he'll be near as effective.

Because Carr was supposed to be there, and having them both in the lineup gives us the best chance at points. Weatherman was 152 in college, so he could make it down there. Or else he needs to pull what Reader did this year. Reader had a smaller frame than most of the 174s, but he had tree trunk legs and was the strongest wrestler on the mat every match.

**CYVADER** · 03-20-2011, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by brett108

Because Carr was supposed to be there, and having them both in the lineup gives us the best chance at points. Weatherman was 152 in college, so he could make it down there. Or else he needs to pull what Reader did this year. Reader had a smaller frame than most of the 174s, but he had tree trunk legs and was the strongest wrestler on the mat every match.

going from one of the weakest to one of the strongest in the same weight class in 1 year is next to impossible. i hope you are right and he can make the cut back down-same with ward

**brett108** · 03-20-2011, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by ISU BET

going from one of the weakest to one of the strongest in the same weight class in 1 year is next to impossible. i hope you are right and he can make the cut back down-same with ward

Agreed. I think Reader looked great at 174 because he could keep the muscle that made him effective. If he went to 165, he had to shed a bunch of good weight, adn you could see how much it hurt him last year.

**nwiafan** · 03-20-2011, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by buf87

125 - Finch -the real deal, potential 4 time AA
- Backup Jones
133 - Cash
Schlosser could wrestle as a true freshman, need to see how bad the year off hurt him. Pena will Redshirt for the future.
141 - Goettl - not sure he's ready for D1 yet.
Not sure on Mayfield
149 - Mayfield and Weatherman to battle it out.
157 - Moreno - has the potential to be very good if he can manage the weight cut
If not Weatherman if he isn't cutting to 149
165 - Sorenson - if healthy a National title contender
174 - Spangler - if healthy a National title contender
184 - Ward - Not sure on his ability to make the cut back down. (That's the plan)
Shafer will be a good backup and push whoever's there
197 - Gadsen - if healthy has potential to AA
backup Ward, Voelker, Hawes
Hwt - Simonson being pushed by Gibson

The only true freshman I see possible wrestling is Schlosser at 133 or 141

Sorenson has the capability to be an AA, but I don't agree with Spangler being a national title contender. What has he done to deserve that recognition?

Gadsen will be one to watch next year, but 197 is not an easy weight to make your college debut in.

**Senolcyc** · 03-20-2011, 09:01 PM

What's your pass/fail for next year? Dual record, Big 12 finish, national finish?

**Judoka** · 03-20-2011, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by nwiafan

Sorenson has the capability to be an AA, but I don't agree with Spangler being a national title contender. What has he done to deserve that recognition?

Gadsen will be one to watch next year, but 197 is not an easy weight to make your college debut in.

A win over one of this year's finalists? He would have been seeded if he hadn't sprained his ankle at Big XIIs. I wouldn't say he'll be a favorite by any means, but I think it's legit to say he's at the very least a pretty safe bet to AA.