Iowa State vs. Iowa...who's better?

**jahfg** · 11-18-2008, 12:42 PM

Iowa is still the favorite, in both dual and tournament format.

Falck vs Clark- Kist gave Falck a good match last year and I would expect Clark to do the same. Clark does have a tendency to get out of position, but I think he keeps it to a regular decision. 3-0 UI

Dennis/Slaton vs. Fanthorpe- I don't know much about Dennis other than he must be talented enough to beat Slaton. I can't see Fanthorpe beating either if thats the case, at least not at Carver. He wasn't close to breaking Slaton down last year at nationals which makes it impossible for me to predict an ISU victory here. Should be close match. 6-0 UI

Tsirtsis/LeClere vs. Gallick- Gallick looked really good at nationals while Leclere went 0-2 BBQ. LeClere has beaten Gallick twice and Tsirtsis is a former AA. I'm going to give the edge to Gallick but this is a true toss-up. UI 6-3

Metcalf vs. Mueller- Metcalf is Metcalf and will win. It is only a matter of by how many. Most likely a major. UI 10-3

Ballweg vs. Sanderson- Putting Ballweg at 157 is a blow to Iowa's lineup. There is no way to deny that. Sanderson will be a heavy favorite and should be looking for bonus points because ISU will need them. UI 10-7

Morningstar vs. Reader- I can't wait to see this matchup. Morningstar has not lived up to Hawkeye fans' expectations, but that won't keep many of them from predicting him to win. He managed to pull a huge upset 2 years ago, but I don't see him sneaking up on Reader. Reader is too talented, but it will be close. Sanderson handled Morningstar a couple times last season which leads me to believe Reader can do the same. 10-10

Borschel vs Burk- Borschel is a stud and will be a contender for the NC in March. ISU is fortunate to pick up Burk as 174 was a weak spot last season. Duke will keep this close but Borschel is too good, especially in front of the home crowd. UI 13-10

Keddy vs. Ward- Ward has an ankle injury but Cael said he is good to go. Keddy is an animal that will feed off the energy of the meet. Ward better be ready to wrestle for seven minutes or he could get embarrassed. The freshman has talent, but I think he may be shellshocked at the intensity of the meet, especially if the score is as I predicted. Keddy gets the major UI 17-10

Beatty vs. Varner- Beatty may have bulked up, but he is still an inferior wrestler to Varner. Beatty's going to come out hard, guaranteed. If Varner can control the match early, he should win handily. If he allows Beatty to hang around, he could get beat. I can't see Varner losing this one and he may get bonus points, but it will most likely be a very Varner-like score of 5-2. UI 17-13

Erekson vs. Z- This will be a very close match that probably goes to OT like a lot of HWT matches. I think Z wins with experience.

Bonus points being the difference, UI wins 17-16.

That being said, anything can happen in this meet based on the rivalry aspect. That score seems reasonable, but probably won't be anything near the actual score. Most likely, there will be 2-3 matches that could go either way that will decide the meet.

**swooper** · 11-18-2008, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by jahfg

Iowa is still the favorite, in both dual and tournament format.

Falck vs Clark- Kist gave Falck a good match last year and I would expect Clark to do the same. Clark does have a tendency to get out of position, but I think he keeps it to a regular decision. 3-0 UI

Dennis/Slaton vs. Fanthorpe- I don't know much about Dennis other than he must be talented enough to beat Slaton. I can't see Fanthorpe beating either if thats the case, at least not at Carver. He wasn't close to breaking Slaton down last year at nationals which makes it impossible for me to predict an ISU victory here. Should be close match. 6-0 UI

Tsirtsis/LeClere vs. Gallick- Gallick looked really good at nationals while Leclere went 0-2 BBQ. LeClere has beaten Gallick twice and Tsirtsis is a former AA. I'm going to give the edge to Gallick but this is a true toss-up. UI 6-3

Metcalf vs. Mueller- Metcalf is Metcalf and will win. It is only a matter of by how many. Most likely a major. UI 10-3

Ballweg vs. Sanderson- Putting Ballweg at 157 is a blow to Iowa's lineup. There is no way to deny that. Sanderson will be a heavy favorite and should be looking for bonus points because ISU will need them. UI 10-7

Morningstar vs. Reader- I can't wait to see this matchup. Morningstar has not lived up to Hawkeye fans' expectations, but that won't keep many of them from predicting him to win. He managed to pull a huge upset 2 years ago, but I don't see him sneaking up on Reader. Reader is too talented, but it will be close. Sanderson handled Morningstar a couple times last season which leads me to believe Reader can do the same. 10-10

Borschel vs Burk- Borschel is a stud and will be a contender for the NC in March. ISU is fortunate to pick up Burk as 174 was a weak spot last season. Duke will keep this close but Borschel is too good, especially in front of the home crowd. UI 13-10

Keddy vs. Ward- Ward has an ankle injury but Cael said he is good to go. Keddy is an animal that will feed off the energy of the meet. Ward better be ready to wrestle for seven minutes or he could get embarrassed. The freshman has talent, but I think he may be shellshocked at the intensity of the meet, especially if the score is as I predicted. Keddy gets the major UI 17-10

Beatty vs. Varner- Beatty may have bulked up, but he is still an inferior wrestler to Varner. Beatty's going to come out hard, guaranteed. If Varner can control the match early, he should win handily. If he allows Beatty to hang around, he could get beat. I can't see Varner losing this one and he may get bonus points, but it will most likely be a very Varner-like score of 5-2. UI 17-13

Erekson vs. Z- This will be a very close match that probably goes to OT like a lot of HWT matches. I think Z wins with experience.

Bonus points being the difference, UI wins 17-16.

That being said, anything can happen in this meet based on the rivalry aspect. That score seems reasonable, but probably won't be anything near the actual score. Most likely, there will be 2-3 matches that could go either way that will decide the meet.

I believe this is right on target, with the exception that Reader, Varner or Z will pick up the two more points we will need.

**cloneu** · 11-18-2008, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by swooper

I believe this is right on target, with the exception that Reader, Varner or Z will pick up the two more points we will need.

At the same time I think that Iowa will have a major at 174. I would love to see Reader or Varner get a pin to decide the meet.

**EZpickins** · 11-18-2008, 04:30 PM

This meet seems too close to call right now. Both teams have top notch wrestlers, but it really depends on who shows up to work. 3 or so weights could go either way, that's why these meets are played out. One thing I'm sure of though...ISU or Iowa will be the 2 best teams all year as others will have a hard time competing against either team!

**Cardinal&Gold11** · 11-18-2008, 04:33 PM

Clones

**troyrew** · 11-27-2008, 05:35 PM

Its in iowa city they will steal a match somewhere like 141 or 165

Iowa always does they get the ball rolling at home

**GoSTATE71** · 11-30-2008, 12:04 AM

idk iowa state has like what 6-7 returning all americans? i dont know correct me if im wrong because i dont follow wrestling alot except i know there always in the top 5

**JonDMiller** · 11-30-2008, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by Madclone1

Like I told you last year . . "real" fans of college wrestling had better start hoping that someone other than Iowa, Okie State, Minneeesoota can win the title . . wrestling is on life support right now.

Gable and company arrived at the party a little too late to save it. He was too busy winning all those uncontested championships. LOL

See Title IX.

Wrestling is having a renaissance of sorts out east. Failing in the west.

**troyrew** · 11-30-2008, 02:28 AM

I hate title nine women sports are a joke

**Melvin** · 11-30-2008, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by jahfg

Iowa is still the favorite, in both dual and tournament format.

Falck vs Clark- Kist gave Falck a good match last year and I would expect Clark to do the same. Clark does have a tendency to get out of position, but I think he keeps it to a regular decision. 3-0 UI

Dennis/Slaton vs. Fanthorpe- I don't know much about Dennis other than he must be talented enough to beat Slaton. I can't see Fanthorpe beating either if thats the case, at least not at Carver. He wasn't close to breaking Slaton down last year at nationals which makes it impossible for me to predict an ISU victory here. Should be close match. 6-0 UI

Tsirtsis/LeClere vs. Gallick- Gallick looked really good at nationals while Leclere went 0-2 BBQ. LeClere has beaten Gallick twice and Tsirtsis is a former AA. I'm going to give the edge to Gallick but this is a true toss-up. UI 6-3

Metcalf vs. Mueller- Metcalf is Metcalf and will win. It is only a matter of by how many. Most likely a major. UI 10-3

Ballweg vs. Sanderson- Putting Ballweg at 157 is a blow to Iowa's lineup. There is no way to deny that. Sanderson will be a heavy favorite and should be looking for bonus points because ISU will need them. UI 10-7

Morningstar vs. Reader- I can't wait to see this matchup. Morningstar has not lived up to Hawkeye fans' expectations, but that won't keep many of them from predicting him to win. He managed to pull a huge upset 2 years ago, but I don't see him sneaking up on Reader. Reader is too talented, but it will be close. Sanderson handled Morningstar a couple times last season which leads me to believe Reader can do the same. 10-10

Borschel vs Burk- Borschel is a stud and will be a contender for the NC in March. ISU is fortunate to pick up Burk as 174 was a weak spot last season. Duke will keep this close but Borschel is too good, especially in front of the home crowd. UI 13-10

Keddy vs. Ward- Ward has an ankle injury but Cael said he is good to go. Keddy is an animal that will feed off the energy of the meet. Ward better be ready to wrestle for seven minutes or he could get embarrassed. The freshman has talent, but I think he may be shellshocked at the intensity of the meet, especially if the score is as I predicted. Keddy gets the major UI 17-10

Beatty vs. Varner- Beatty may have bulked up, but he is still an inferior wrestler to Varner. Beatty's going to come out hard, guaranteed. If Varner can control the match early, he should win handily. If he allows Beatty to hang around, he could get beat. I can't see Varner losing this one and he may get bonus points, but it will most likely be a very Varner-like score of 5-2. UI 17-13

Erekson vs. Z- This will be a very close match that probably goes to OT like a lot of HWT matches. I think Z wins with experience.

Bonus points being the difference, UI wins 17-16.

That being said, anything can happen in this meet based on the rivalry aspect. That score seems reasonable, but probably won't be anything near the actual score. Most likely, there will be 2-3 matches that could go either way that will decide the meet.

Thankyou for the Nice Analysis:

At 133, Slaton needed OT to beat Fanthorpe in the National Tournament, I think ISU has a good chance to Flip this wt.

At 165, I would hope for Bonus points out of Reader.