Freestyle vs Collegiate wrestling.

**wesley_w** · 04-09-2009, 02:33 PM

Even though I am at all the meets I am in no way an expert on wrestling. Last week I stuck my head in the wrestling room and the entire team was practicing and one of the things they did was freestyle wrestling. I couldn't really tell much difference but I know several of the guys are in Vegas this weekend for a freestyle tournament. Can someone explain what is different about freestyle?

Also, with only 9.9 scholarships for the entire team, there are a lot of guys paying all or most of their own way that are working hard every day up there. A lot of guys that will probably never start in a dual but help the team every day in workouts.

**Balls** · 04-09-2009, 02:45 PM

WR scholarships are sad. I know the money may not be there but I would argue the commitment that goes into being a top notch WR (which pretty much defines most wrestlers at a school like ISU) is higher than the other sports.

I know freestyle has a lot more scoring opportunities like rolls and throws. I should know more as my brother was a midwest regional (6 states) freestyle champion when he was in 8th grade. In that tourney, he beat Iowa's NCAA Champion Daryl Weber from Don Bosco.

**jdoggivjc** · 04-09-2009, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by wesley_w

Even though I am at all the meets I am in no way an expert on wrestling. Last week I stuck my head in the wrestling room and the entire team was practicing and one of the things they did was freestyle wrestling. I couldn't really tell much difference but I know several of the guys are in Vegas this weekend for a freestyle tournament. Can someone explain what is different about freestyle?

Also, with only 9.9 scholarships for the entire team, there are a lot of guys paying all or most of their own way that are working hard every day up there. A lot of guys that will probably never start in a dual but help the team every day in workouts.

One, it's a completely different scoring system. Two, I know certain moves/holds that are not allowed in collegiate wrestling are allowed in freestyle. For instance, from what I know, in collegiate wrestling, in neutral position, if you lock your opponent up in a bear-hug and take him down with it, you must break your hold when you hit the mat - you can't continue to hold your opponent in that bear hug. I think in freestyle you're allowed to continue the hold.

**Go2Guy** · 04-09-2009, 02:50 PM

Also, with only 9.9 scholarships for the entire team,
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Wow, I did not know that. How does this compare with the other top programs, especially the B12?

**isukendall** · 04-09-2009, 02:55 PM

It's been a long time, so feel free to correct me.

Scoring is different. Takedown is one point. Near fall is two, and the back only needs to be exposed momentarily. Take a guy down to his back is 3 points. Make it look pretty (throw with feet in the air) and it can be 5 pts. Pin is a touch fall, it is much easier to get pinned. IMO there are a lot more judgement calls with the referees than in collegiate, and it can be more controversial.

Not totally sure on this either, but freestyle used to be one very long period. Now I think it's three periods, and you have to win two out of the three. Freestyle (and Greco) is typically more accepted in international circles. There are very few countries outside of the US that will ever wrestle collegiate style.

**theshadow** · 04-09-2009, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Go2Guy

Also, with only 9.9 scholarships for the entire team,
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Wow, I did not know that. How does this compare with the other top programs, especially the B12?

NCAA max is 9.9

**isukendall** · 04-09-2009, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Go2Guy

Also, with only 9.9 scholarships for the entire team,
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Wow, I did not know that. How does this compare with the other top programs, especially the B12?

Probably exactly the same. Pretty sure that's the max wrestling can give, as there are 10 weight classes (thus 10 starters).

**Go2Guy** · 04-09-2009, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by theshadow

NCAA max is 9.9

Thanks; I suppose a few schollies are divided up into partials.

**wesley_w** · 04-09-2009, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Go2Guy

Also, with only 9.9 scholarships for the entire team,
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Wow, I did not know that. How does this compare with the other top programs, especially the B12?

I think that is the limit per NCAA. Another one is track and field. I know there has been athletes post on here that would know the exact answer but I think men get 12.5 and women get 18?? On that I'm not sure if that is just ISU or if it is NCAA limit.

**theshadow** · 04-09-2009, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Go2Guy

Thanks; I suppose a few schollies are divided up into partials.

Most are. There are very few times where a guy will get a 100% share.

**theshadow** · 04-09-2009, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by wesley_w

I think that is the limit per NCAA. Another one is track and field. I know there has been athletes post on here that would know the exact answer but I think men get 12.5 and women get 18?? On that I'm not sure if that is just ISU or if it is NCAA limit.

The weird numbers for men's sports are the result of a 10% across-the-board slash done by the NCAA in 1991(ish).

All numbers from the 2008-09 NCAA Manual...

"Head-count" sports:
Football (85)
Men's basketball (13)
Women's basketball (15)
Women's gymnastics (12)
Women's volleyball (12)
Women's tennis (8)

Men's "Equivalency" sports:
XC/T&F: 12.6
LAX: 12.6
SOC: 9.9
SWIM: 9.9
WR: 9.9
GYM: 6.3
SKI: 6.3
FENC: 4.5
GOLF: 4.5
TEN: 4.5
VB: 4.5
WPOLO: 4.5
RIFLE: 3.6

Women's "Equivalency" sports:
ROW: 20
XC/T&F: 18
EQU: 15
SOC: 14
SWIM: 14
F HKY: 12
LAX: 12
RUG: 12
SOFT: 12
SQU: 12
HAND: 10
WPOLO: 8
SKI: 7
BADM: 6
GOLF: 6
ARCH: 5
BOWL: 5
FENC: 5
SYNCH: 5

Baseball gets 11.7, and can only divide it among 27 players (starting 2009-10). Additionally, the minimum any player can receive is 0.25.

Ice hockey divides 18.0 among no more than 30 players.

**Go2Guy** · 04-09-2009, 03:14 PM

Sorry if I distract from this thread, but I just wanted to mention I am shocked to see Tom Brands is the Featured speaker at the Christian Leadership lunch......LOL, I never would have guessed; is this what Jesus meant by the, "Blind leading the blind..."

"Iowa wrestling coach Tom Brands and his brother, assistant coach Terry Brands, will be the featured speakers at an Athletes in Action Christian leadership luncheon at 11:30 a.m. Wednesday at the University of Iowa Athletics Hall of Fame."

**cykitt** · 04-09-2009, 06:34 PM

With probably about 25 guys in the room, the 9.9 would be a bit top heavy.

Starters may get -.6 or .7
Furture starters -.4 or .5
Good Room Partners- .2 or .3
Walkons -nothing

But i think that alot of the starters are filled in with either aid or grants.

Even metcalf at iowa isn't on full scholarship

**Cyclone62** · 04-09-2009, 07:13 PM

Basically, Folk style deals with dominance while free deals with risk. As I didn't remember the differences, the scoring goes as follows.

Folkstyle: 2 points for takedowns and reversals, 1 point for escapes, 3 or 5 for back exposure depending on how long you can keep his back exposed.. Match ends with pin.

Freestyle: 1 point for takedowns or reversals, 2 points for back exposure, 3 points for small amplitude throws, 5 points for large amplitude throws.

Greco: same as freestyle, but no attacks to the opponent's legs allowed.