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Re: Pollard untouchable?
 Originally Posted by IcSyU Yes, I believe Pollard is the responsible party.
It is the AD's responsibility to hire and retain the best coaches possible. There really isn't anyone else that bears that responsibility.
I don't blame coaches for leaving. It is the coaches responsiblity to do what they consider is in their best interest.
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Re: Pollard untouchable?
 Originally Posted by Clones85' Cael wasn't offered 500K a year. He has already came out and said that.
With Cael's salary, camps, and paid speeches, I am guessing he made anywhere from 200K to 300K a year. This is why I doubt he left for the money....he didn't need it
I have to admit the Penn St wresting complex is impressive that is something ISU cannot afford to build. Cael isnt going to come out and say he left for the money, or what he is making. We will know that soon enough. Saying he didnt leave for the money is crazy, coaches do that all the time, why is he any different.
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Re: Pollard untouchable?
I had read the article. It is not about money. It is not about facilities. My sense is Cael does not see himself at "the next level" at ISU. Now why would a guy who bleeds Cardinal and Gold, not see himself at the next level at ISU. Jamie is not getting it done, we are in a serious financial jam, and Cael sees more opportunity for success elsewhere. Jamie is no longer able to sell hope to his own troops and he is not going to be able to continue to sell hope when the effort to go to the next level is producing levels bordering on disaster.
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Re: Pollard untouchable?
 Originally Posted by alaskaguy Yes, I believe Pollard is the responsible party. Were you going to foot the bill for a new, state of the art facility for him? We're you going to foot the bill to give him a raise? Were you going to raise his budget for spending on recruiting and other wrestling expenditures, etc.? No? That's what I thought. There wasn't a thing Pollard could've done to keep him here.
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Re: Pollard untouchable?
 Originally Posted by kingcy I have to admit the Penn St wresting complex is impressive that is something ISU cannot afford to build. Cael isnt going to come out and say he left for the money, or what he is making. We will know that soon enough. Saying he didnt leave for the money is crazy, coaches do that all the time, why is he any different. Do you think Roy Williams would leave UNC if Vanderbilt offered him a million more a year?!?! Come on. If you can't see the difference here I don't know what else to say.
Once again, Cael has said that he isn't making anywhere near 500K a year.
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Re: Pollard untouchable?
 Originally Posted by clonedog I had read the article. It is not about money. It is not about facilities. My sense is Cael does not see himself at "the next level" at ISU. Now why would a guy who bleeds Cardinal and Gold, not see himself at the next level at ISU. Jamie is not getting it done, we are in a serious financial jam, and Cael sees more opportunity for success elsewhere. Jamie is no longer able to sell hope to his own troops and he is not going to be able to continue to sell hope when the effort to go to the next level is producing levels bordering on disaster. I actually heard it was about Happy Valley having a nicer climate, three better golf courses, and fancier concrete leading to his office. That makes about as much sense as what you think.
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Re: Pollard untouchable?
If Mac does not get it done at ISU in the next year or so, you will not see men's basketball at the "next level" under the leadership of coach Mac. If a basketball coach does not "get it done" in 4-5 years, it is not going to happen. We are getting beat by "new hires" at UNI and dreaming of NCAA appearances. I don't want to take your money. Donate it to ISU athletic programs.
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Re: Pollard untouchable?
 Originally Posted by clonedog My sense is Cael does not see himself at "the next level" at ISU. Now why would a guy who bleeds Cardinal and Gold, not see himself at the next level at ISU. Jamie is not getting it done, we are in a serious financial jam. What more did he want at ISU. He had a nice wrestling room (not PSU nice but nice), and was well paid. The winning is up to the coach. A coach can do a lot of fundraising as well. The money Pollard has spent needed to be spent. Hell while we are updating and building buildings for our revenue making sports PSU is building a wrestling own building for a sport that loses money. It is stupid to pour money into a sport that loses money when your sports that make money are without.
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Re: Pollard untouchable?
 Originally Posted by IcSyU Were you going to foot the bill for a new, state of the art facility for him? We're you going to foot the bill to give him a raise? Were you going to raise his budget for spending on recruiting and other wrestling expenditures, etc.? No? That's what I thought. There wasn't a thing Pollard could've done to keep him here. I didn't infer that there was anything that could have been done to keep him here. We really don't know the reason that Cael left, regardless of the news articles that have been released. It could have been due to money, it could have been due to facilities, it could have even have been due to a personality clash.
But what I did say is that the responsibility to hire and retain coaches lies squarely with the AD, regardless of whatever the circumstances were.
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Re: Pollard untouchable?
 Originally Posted by Clones85' Do you think Roy Williams would leave UNC if Vanderbilt offered him a million more a year?!?! Come on. If you can't see the difference here I don't know what else to say.
Once again, Cael has said that he isn't making anywhere near 500K a year. Do you tell a lot of people how much money you make? Do you really think he is going to tell the media how much money he is going to make.
The gap in our economy is between what we have and what we think we ought to have--and that is a moral problem, not an economic one. - Paul Heyne -
Re: Pollard untouchable?
STATE OF THE ART FACILITIES!! It's wrestling! All they need is a mat and some weights!! 
Seriously though, this isn't football, how state of the art can a wrestling facility be? Honest question. I have no idea
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Re: Pollard untouchable?
 Originally Posted by clonedog If Mac does not get it done at ISU in the next year or so, you will not see men's basketball at the "next level" under the leadership of coach Mac. If a basketball coach does not "get it done" in 4-5 years, it is not going to happen. We are getting beat by "new hires" at UNI and dreaming of NCAA appearances. I don't want to take your money. Donate it to ISU athletic programs. Truth be told, Iowa State can't afford to fire Mac anytime soon. You really need to do some research before you go off posting.
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Re: Pollard untouchable?
 Originally Posted by Clones85' STATE OF THE ART FACILITIES!! It's wrestling! All they need is a mat and some weights!!
Seriously though, this isn't football, how state of the art can a wrestling facility be? Honest question. I have no idea Here is Penn States wrestling building. CSTV Photo Gallery
All basketball players need in a court and a hoop. All football players need is some grass to play on. Yet they get a lot more
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Re: Pollard untouchable?
You are right. Cael has probably been unhappy at ISU for years. Jamie has built such strong relationships with his coaches that he asks other coaches to beg fellow coaches to stay. I don't see the Pollard era as the picture of success. He has been unable to build cohesive, stable relationships in the Athletic Department. If you like the direction of athletics at ISU we are wasting our time trying to assess why we are the most "shocked" fan base in the country.
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Re: Pollard untouchable?
 Originally Posted by kingcy Do you tell a lot of people how much money you make? Do you really think he is going to tell the media how much money he is going to make. Now if only he was Jim Calhoun....   Originally Posted by Clones85' STATE OF THE ART FACILITIES!! It's wrestling! All they need is a mat and some weights!!
Seriously though, this isn't football, how state of the art can a wrestling facility be? Honest question. I have no idea You can get some wicked weight machines. All the extra crap people don't need but get anyways (flat panel TVs all over the place, all new mats, high tech video rooms, team meeting rooms with a ton of Lazy Boys all over the place).
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