Chasson Randle at the Iowa Game

[Ames]

Interesting to look at the numbers in football. Whenever Iowa has a losing season, their attendance drops 2-6K. during their lowest point in the last 20 years, Iowa's average attendance dropped 9K from 70K to 61K over a 3 year time frame. Iowa has only had one extended time period where they were not a bowl team and they didn't hold up.

Iowa State on the other hand actually had its highest average following chizdick's first year with just 2 wins. Iowa State started building the fan base with DMac. It grew every year he was here until 03-05. Then it plateaued. However during disappointing seasons or the seasons following disappointing seasons, attendance never dropped more than 2K. ISU has not fluctuated from 45K average attendance since 2002. We have not been bowling since 2005 and have actually increased our average attendance numbers since that time. That is a result of people that became fans as kids in the DMac era becoming adults and buying tickets. Or people that actually attended ISU caring about football. There was no reason to care in the 90's so people didn't become fans.

There is no doubt that Iowa has more fans and when either team is winning Iowa will bring more fans. It is a function of their long term success. But when Iowa had a bad three year run they lowered their attendance more where as ISU held steady. So if Iowa has more fans, and they STILL lowered their attendance that means there were a lot more fans that disappeared when they were losing.

If you want to argue that ISU has a cap on its fanbase, that is valid

That's pretty tough to argue with. Good stuff.

 

[Knownothing]

Except for the fact that the attendance last night was over 8K.....

There is no way there were 8k there last night. Not to mention they let the students in free. FREE and still no show.

 

[rdubbs]

Listen tool bag, where in the hell are Iowa's loyal fans last night at a BTeleven/ACC Challenge game. OH, their not there.....not from what I saw in the stands....maybe 4k total? You're horrid fan base is not rooting for EIU basketball at the moment.... again, only when you are good....that is when you have supporters. How are you not seeing this?

First off, nice insults, I'm glad to know who I can have a discussion with and who I can't, you apparently aren't one of those who can properly hold a discussion so I'll leave you with this. Iowa Basketball fans are obviously disappointed in the current direction of the program and along with ******** about it they are also choosing to not attend games, which is a decision that I do not agree with as I'm not a fair weather fan. I can remember another fanbase who was pretty ****** at how their present coaching staff handles games and said if they didn't have a good season this year that he should be fired guess we'll have to wait and see how the basketball season shakes out for Mac.

 

[4429 mcc]

First off, nice insults, I'm glad to know who I can have a discussion with and who I can't, you apparently aren't one of those who can properly hold a discussion so I'll leave you with this. Iowa Basketball fans are obviously disappointed in the current direction of the program and along with ******** about it they are also choosing to not attend games, which is a decision that I do not agree with as I'm not a fair weather fan. I can remember another fanbase who was pretty ****** at how their present coaching staff handles games and said if they didn't have a good season this year that he should be fired guess we'll have to wait and see how the basketball season shakes out for Mac.

So you're finally coming around and admitting that Iowa fans ARE fair weather fans.

 

[tazclone]

I played FB at ISU in the 90's that was unnecessary.:no::no::no:

Sorry, didn't mean to insult. I went to school at the end of the Walden era and the begining of DMac. I went to every home game. There were highlights...Nebraska, Troy Davis, etc but I sat through an 0-10-1 season and never saw a winning season. I became a die hard fan but there were not a lot of people interested in football games during that time frame and it definitely did not grow the base

 

[Al_4_State]

You couldn't fill a stadium with a conference championship on the line, you can make all the excuses you want, YOU COULDN'T FILL THE STADIUM! You can rip the Iowa basketball crowd all you want (not once have I said the crowds have been even average)

I skipped family thanksgiving to be at that game. I know a lot of people who didn't. I guess ISU fans are bad fans for having family obligations?

Can you think of one single fanbase that's been through more hell than ISU and turns out as well? Most places with ISU's history would look like morgues. You can't deny the way Iowa fans have turned and ran from the basketball program. I've seen games at Carver this year that were 20% full. Hilton attendance has shrunk since our last tourney appearance, but it hasn't gotten that bad.

And football? ISU has averaged around 3,000 fans in SRO/game over the last 4 years. The athletic department likes to say JTS holds 55,000 but that's like saying "yeah, my 95 Bonneville holds 8 people, but 2 of 'em have to ride in the trunk". There are 43,000 seats in Jack Trice. I know the attendance was **** for that game against Mizzou, but look at it since.

It's hard for me to buy that Iowa fans are more loyal than ISU fans because as soon as the going gets tough, well, the Iowa fans bolt.

 

[WalkingCY]

First off, nice insults, I'm glad to know who I can have a discussion with and who I can't, you apparently aren't one of those who can properly hold a discussion so I'll leave you with this. Iowa Basketball fans are obviously disappointed in the current direction of the program and along with ******** about it they are also choosing to not attend games, which is a decision that I do not agree with as I'm not a fair weather fan. I can remember another fanbase who was pretty ****** at how their present coaching staff handles games and said if they didn't have a good season this year that he should be fired guess we'll have to wait and see how the basketball season shakes out for Mac.

You're welcome. You are a tool. Iowa fans are fair-weather.

Heck ISUers were very disappointed in last season's MBB year too (15-16)....still obtained 3rd ranked in attendance in the B12. We are NOT fair-weather...and thus more loyal fans. This has been the whole argument.

 

[tazclone]

First off, nice insults, I'm glad to know who I can have a discussion with and who I can't, you apparently aren't one of those who can properly hold a discussion so I'll leave you with this. Iowa Basketball fans are obviously disappointed in the current direction of the program and along with ******** about it they are also choosing to not attend games, which is a decision that I do not agree with as I'm not a fair weather fan. I can remember another fanbase who was pretty ****** at how their present coaching staff handles games and said if they didn't have a good season this year that he should be fired guess we'll have to wait and see how the basketball season shakes out for Mac.

Can you discuss the facts with me? I pointed out that Iowa's FB attendance dropped more during their three years skid then any time at ISU since DMac began. I pointed out that even during a coaching change that did not bring success, ISU's attendance went up. Same situation at Iowa caused a decrease in attendance by 9K. Iowa 3 years without a bowl = 9K drop in attendance. ISU 3 years without a bowl = increased attendance. Hmmmm

Keep in mind that Iowa has a much, much larger fanbase to draw on in their down years. Those pour bastards that couldn't get into the sell outs should eat up the ticket availability during the down years.

 

[Al_4_State]

Can you discuss the facts with me? I pointed out that Iowa's FB attendance dropped more during their three years skid then any time at ISU since DMac began. I pointed out that even during a coaching change that did not bring success, ISU's attendance went up. Same situation at Iowa caused a decrease in attendance by 9K. Iowa 3 years without a bowl = 9K drop in attendance. ISU 3 years without a bowl = increased attendance. Hmmmm

Keep in mind that Iowa has a much, much larger fanbase to draw on in their down years. Those pour bastards that couldn't get into the sell outs should eat up the ticket availability during the down years.

Exactly. Much cheaper for the tavern Hawks to get tickets when the team sucked.

 

[DRCHIRO]

I guess we will see how loyal the Iowa fans are when they go 2-10 in football. In a matter of time, they will have there down years and go through some changes in there football program like they have before.

 

[SmithTon]

There is not a CHANCE that there were more than 4,000 people there. Tickets "sold" yes, actual butts in the seat, not a chance.

It looked like a Luther College game.

 

[tazclone]

I guess we will see how loyal the Iowa fans are when they go 2-10 in football. In a matter of time, they will have there down years and go through some changes in there football program like they have before.

It happened after Hayden left and Ferentz took over. Over three years their attendance dropped approx. 9K. They were at 70K then they dropped down to 61K. Not sure why our resident hawk fan (rdubbs) won't discuss those facts.

 

[mikeiastat]

Is it just me or am I the only one that is seeing that him bringing up the thanksgiving defacto, mythical North championships actually supports the cyclone side of this arguement. We had an explained attendence issue in one of our better years, and have improved attendence on lesser teams.

Is this guy too dumb to realize that that is the exact opposite of fairweather fans?

 

[aeroclone]

Ya announced attendance, similar to the announced "sell outs" in football for the hawks... I'm willing to bet there was maybe 6000 tops actually in the seats. Just to clarify the announced attendance for the isu wbb game vs. the mississippi valley state delta devilettes was 9,600+ last night... how does that taste?

Like warm apple pie! :wideeyed:

 

[DJKHawk]

I guess we will see how loyal the Iowa fans are when they go 2-10 in football. In a matter of time, they will have there down years and go through some changes in there football program like they have before.

Iowa averaged 63,464 fans at Kinnick in 1999 (a year in which we finished 1-10).

Whoops.

 

[tazclone]

Iowa averaged 63,464 fans at Kinnick in 1999 (a year in which we finished 1-10).

Whoops.

How about the following year in 2000. That 1-10 would affect the next year's season ticket sales.

To save you the work, Iowa averaged 61,123 in 2000. 64,655 in 2001. 61,747 in 2002. 65,798 in 2003. Amazingly they were back up to 70K+ by 2005. Hmmm, I wonder what the difference was between 2002 and 2005. Did Iowa win more games or lose more games in that time frame? Wait.....isn't that when they started winning 10 games a season? And it wasn't like they just jumped back up. It took three 10 win seasons to do it.

You forgot to mention that Iowa averaged 70K prior to Hayden's last year. So your little number shows that hawks go away during the losing years to the tone of 9% of the fans.

Try to keep up here....
ISU's average DMac's last few years approx 45K
ISU's average after the coaching change and three bowlless seasons 46K+ (one year 49K) 1% increase

Iowa's average Hayden's last few years (except the final) 70K
Iowa's average after coaching change and three bowlless years- 61K (9% decrease)

If you want to argue who has more fans...Iowa
If you want to argue who has more loyal fans during tough times, you lose.

Oops (this would be the correct spelling)

 

[IsUaClone2]

Is there anything about Chasson Randle in this thread? If not, please rename it more appropriately. ******* contest comes to mind.

 

[ClimbIowa]

Is it just me or am I the only one that is seeing that him bringing up the thanksgiving defacto, mythical North championships actually supports the cyclone side of this arguement. We had an explained attendence issue in one of our better years, and have improved attendence on lesser teams.

Is this guy too dumb to realize that that is the exact opposite of fairweather fans?

It's not the opposite though. It's more like the absence of die hard fans. Sure, most of those folks aren't fair weather, but they're not really die-hard fans either if that game wasn't important enough to attend. When Thanksgiving is an excuse why the stadium isn't full two days later for a chance to play for a top-tier bowl birth, you know things aren't quite where the AD wants 'em.

 

[ClimbIowa]

How about the following year in 2000. That 1-10 would affect the next year's season ticket sales.

To save you the work, Iowa averaged 61,123 in 2000. 64,655 in 2001. 61,747 in 2002. 65,798 in 2003. Amazingly they were back up to 70K+ by 2005. Hmmm, I wonder what the difference was between 2000 and 2005. Did Iowa win more games or lose more games in that time frame? And it wasn't like they just jumped back up. It took three 10 win seasons to do it.

You forgot to mention that Iowa averaged 70K prior to Hayden's last year. So your little number shows that hawks go away during the losing years to the tone of 9% of the fans.

Try to keep up here....
ISU's average DMac's last few years approx 45K
ISU's average after the coaching change and three bowlless seasons 46K+ (one year 49K) 1% increase

Iowa's average Hayden's last few years (except the final) 70K
Iowa's average after coaching change and three bowlless years- 61K (9% decrease)

If you want to argue who has more fans...Iowa
If you want to argue who has more loyal fans during tough times, you lose.

Oops (this would be the correct spelling)

Really? Even during those off years Iowa had thousands more fans in Kinnick than JT can hold. I can see the argument for basketball, but it really doesn't work for football unless you want to start using relative percentages (which you did until that final bolded overstatement).

 

[rdubbs]

Is it just me or am I the only one that is seeing that him bringing up the thanksgiving defacto, mythical North championships actually supports the cyclone side of this arguement. We had an explained attendence issue in one of our better years, and have improved attendence on lesser teams.

Is this guy too dumb to realize that that is the exact opposite of fairweather fans?

We're talking "die hard fans" right? Your "die hard fans" didn't exactly make "The Jack" a home field advantage that day did they? I've seen numerous football games where I could shoot a cannon ball into the upper deck and hit nobody, so take your shots at Carver but be willing to take them back at Jack Trice.