exactly, and KG represented that it was a done deal and we should all circle the wagons because things were 'working out as planned'.
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exactly, and KG represented that it was a done deal and we should all circle the wagons because things were 'working out as planned'.
I agree that it probably doesn't help when only three people on the whole site are positive about the state of the MBB program. In saying that, I believe it is unrealistic to believe that people are going to stop talking about MBB. ISU fans care too much to just stop talking about MBB. The problem is right now not one single positive thing has happened since we beat KSU and before that the last positive thing was probably Brackins coming back.
Its up to GMAC and the team to start providing some momentum and we have seen GMAC fail constantly for four years in his quest to do that.
Exactly.
I don't want to go back through the threads, but what has KG been correct about? What "insider" information has he really provided? All he does is chastise fans that criticize the coaching staff, and rubs it in the faces of people who do not support GMac as the coach that unfortunately he will be the coach here next year, and for a long time. For some odd reason, apparently he thinks his doing this is good for ISU basketball. Apparently in his mind, it would be a good thing if the fans that are ****** off would just go away. As long as GMac is safe, what does it matter what the fans want, right?
The problem with this program is the constant losing. Not just of games, but of players.
It is just sad to me to see what this program has become. What was once a more than competitive program has become a joke. It is just sad that there actually has to be people who supposedly are close to GMac that have to come on here to defend him. WTF? I'm sorry, but I cannot imagine that happening in the Orr, Floyd, LE, or even Morgan eras. I can't even imagine it happening for Nance, Trickey, John, or Anderson. To me it is just embarrassing that the Head Coach at ISU has to have his minions defending his *** on here. Obviously, he and his staff are aware of KG's posts. Is this really what we expect from a head coach?
Now, it is a message board's fault that he can't get recruits. Right....... Can't be the fact that he has not won in four years. Or that he can't keep players. Or that they leave for odd reasons, and even lie about the reasons they are leaving. Or that most of the times, his teams do not look like they have a clue as to what they are supposed to be doing on the floor. Or that his staff leaves him. Nope, can't be any of those things. We lose recruits to TCU (with a former ISU assistant) and Hawaii because of a message board. If anyone actually believes this.......
At this point, I don't know why anyone would be too concerned with what recruits ISU gets. This coaching staff has not shown they can win with talent, or retain talent anyway. So, honestly, what difference does it make who is recruited?
Realize that all this is is KG trying to find another reason to blame for the lack of success next year. Of course now that there will be no information about recruits on this board apparently, we know that GMac is going to be able to go out and sign some 4 and 5 star recruits for next year still, right? Right.
It really gets confusing with the information that is/was provided. First ISU is really hot on somebody, top of their list, then when they don't sign, ISU backed off, or the recruit wanted some special conditions, or whatever......but then wait......ISU is not getting the recruits because of this message board. So which is it? Is ISU backing off, are they asking for conditions.......or wait......we really did want them, but they got turned off by the message board? Another thing that bothered me is if the recruits are asking for conditions (like wanting to red-shirt supposedly) wouldn't the staff know that before offering the scholarship? If not, why not?
If this message board is such a factor with recruiting and players, then I ask again...why did we not get Harrison Barnes? Or why do we not get some of the other recruits that this board is high on? Or if we do get recruits, then why don't they stay? Is that the message board's fault too? Gee, I don't remember any of the players who have left mentioning the fans or message boards as a reason, does anyone?
Next year, with the empty seats in Hilton, the lack of fan support will be blamed for GMac's failure. Hard to recruit when players come in and the empty seats out-number the fans, don't you know?
It is also sad that if you criticize the coaching staff, you are called a bad fan, or not a fan of ISU at all. All of you supporters......tell us one thing that is good about this program......JUST ONE legitimate thing! I challenge you to do that. Please, nothing that is just based upon your opinion or hope.....but one factually GOOD thing that you can point to.
Whatever happens next year, it won't be GMac's fault. We all know that. He does no wrong.
Very good points.
As I alluded to earlier, today for some reason I am taking a positive approach
I look at the Nurse hire as one positive since the K-State game. For some reason, this has resurrected my hope a little.
If message board posters are causing recruits to not sign with ISU then that is only an indication of just how bad things are in the program. I highly doubt if asked that Clyburn or Barnes would say...."I love ISU, the staff is great, the facilities are top notch, the guys on the team are great, I know I will get a great education there, but I chose to go to (insert mid major here) because of those damn posters on CycloneFanatic. If it wasn't for them I would be a Cyclone."
The highlighted portion above is the bill of goods that some on here are trying to sell you. If you buy that..... well I have some fantastic property down in the Everglades that I would like to talk to you about.
Edit... If our staff is saying that what happens on CF is having an impact on recruiting as KG has implied.... then I am wondering why I didn't get a thank you card after we signed DG, CC, CB, MG, etc.... because obviously without CF we never would have landed any of them. CF is obviously the glue that holds our recruiting classes together.
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Very good points.
As I alluded to earlier, today for some reason I am taking a positive approach
I look at the Nurse hire as one positive since the K-State game. For some reason, this has resurrected my hope a little.
I am just fine with the Nurse hire.
I was really pushing for a change to be made and when it was not made, I said to myself well at least we bring back Ham, DG, and Colvin. Once Ham left simply because he did not like GMAC and Colvin left once DROB left for a mid major that we just beat, I knew Greg's fate had been sealed. Couple that with him losing recruiting battles with bottom feeders TCU and Hawaii. This thing is over. No reason for anyone to be upset, just wait it out a year.
But I do not blame anyone for calling out poster on their BS such as the program is in great shape. A blind Hawkeye knows our program is as low as it has been since pre Johnny Orr.
Wow... :no:
Take a breath...walk away from the ledge...and remember..."it's only a game"... "it's only a game"... "it's only a game"
Options, yes. They have the option to offer me a scholarship if they want. Good options, I doubt...there just aren't enough quality players out there that have no idea where they are headed yet.
Wow... Thanks for all the recruit possibilities guys.:no:
All I wanted was a little conversation on whi were looking at and alls I got was some more b i t c h i n g on how this board helps recruits determine if they want to come here or not.
All I wanted was a little conversation on whi were looking at and alls I got was some more b i t c h i n g on how this board helps recruits determine if they want to come here or not.
FYI... this board has no effect on recruiting period. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. Some of us just want to eliminate that excuse before it gets too far along.
As far as recruiting possibilities... Nobody knows.
Yeah I also believe that this board has no effect it's just that that's the only thing they talk about whenever the subject of possible recruits comes up.
Other then the staff there probably aren't too many people that even know who they are going after. My guess is that with their very publicized swings and misses so far they want to keep recruiting totally under wraps until they actually have a guy signed for sure. They don't want to give anyone anymore ammunition to fire at GMAC. Technically you can't fail at something if nobody knows that you did. :wink:
You're right, I will withold my opinion until I see what they have up their sleeve. Earlier someone commented on an unsigned PG from Flint, Mich, Patrick Lucas-Harris. I know JG has only been on board for all of 3 hours, but any idea if we are interested? He only has offers from Mich and South Fla.
"If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried."
That aside, I don't have any problem with them keeping it under wraps. We need guys, they will get some, and we don't necessarily need to know who they didn't get.
Or, perhaps, no one knows who the hell we are recruiting, and those who do know cannot divulge that information?
I KNEW IT!! (I know I'm probably not the first to comment this, but I'm just starting to read through the thread).
I hope I come across someone who still thinks a message board doesn't impact recruiting.
Little nuggets are gone now. Hope you're all (use "all" but not intended to include everyone. If you are included, you know it already) happy.
I know I am.
I don't understand how you can argue definitively that message boards absolutely can not hurt recruiting. There are so many variables that it is not out the realm of possibility that these message boards play a small role, even if it is indirect. For example, if a parent or family member reads the boards slamming their son or our coach and makes the decision that the fans must not be very good. That could affect the recruitment process through them. If the parent or family member does not get the opportunity to visit the campus or see a game in Hilton, they might not have a lot of information readily available before the recruiting visit.
The fact of the matter is it is impossible to say that boards have absolutely no effect on recruiting. To claim otherwise is naive. If even one prospect's family is slightly turned off by the board it has an effect on recruiting.
The fact of the matter is it is impossible to say that boards have absolutely no effect on recruiting. To claim otherwise is naive. If even one prospect's family is slightly turned off by the board it has an effect on recruiting.
Wow....you believe this as fact just because KG says so? Don't you see this is just more spin? Amazing.
