Greater Fan support Needed !

OWLCITYCYFAN

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I agree... I'm sure Chizik was disappointed (especially at halftime when they left to the sound of boos

People really need to quit noting this one particular instance; it was a short non-sustained response to the coaching staff's decision to take a knee with two seconds left and the ball on the FIFTY YARD LINE. ISU was trailing at the time...

It wasn't a loud barrage of boos that lasted until they were within the safe confines of the Jacobsen Building! Get over it already; it had no effect on the team psyche! I would submit however that the coaching decision did affect the crowd temperment for the second half...
 

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People really need to quit noting this one particular instance; it was a short non-sustained response to the coaching staff's decision to take a knee with two seconds left and the ball on the FIFTY YARD LINE. ISU was trailing at the time...

I wanted to see us take a shot. Why not? Hell... Nebraska tried taking a few shots deep before halftime in their game versus Nevada.... and they were WINNING. I hate to say that I want to be like Nebraska, but I want to be aggressive.
 

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Don't get me wrong... I wanted to see us take a shot too. I just didn't think the booing was neccesary...
 

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I just didn't think the booing was neccesary...

An analogy, if I might. Almost two years ago, I was in NYC on business and obtained FREE tickets for the Monday night taping of the Friday night David Letterman show. At multiple points during the "seating process", they reminded us that we were REQUIRED to laugh at the appropriate times. Failure to laugh and / or any inappropriate verbal responses were grounds for removal from the audience. Al Franken and the Rev. Al Green were the guests; it was absolutely the least funny Letterman show I've ever seen. Upon leaving, my friends and I discussed how difficult it was to "laugh" when the material wasn't funny and how it sucked we were "warned" to laugh or else...

I'm reminded of this event with the chiding that's being doled out regarding booing, failure to cheer, failure to stand, etc. If the team plays with energy and enthusiasm, the crowd will get charged up and carry them thru down times. That never happened and frankly, reading this thread leaves me feeling eerily similar to the night I left the Letterman taping...

Lastly, as an early 40's aged alum, I don't need this chiding from the student contingent. I was supporting ISU well before you were born! I've purchased five season tickets for a number of years, contribute to the NCC and drive 2+ hours each way to attend every game. I'm not critical of the students, cheerleaders or band; shouldn't "my generation" of fans be lauded for our long-term support rather than bashed for your possibly ill-conceived perceptions of how we conduct ourselves?
 

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An analogy, if I might. Almost two years ago, I was in NYC on business and obtained FREE tickets for the Monday night taping of the Friday night David Letterman show. At multiple points during the "seating process", they reminded us that we were REQUIRED to laugh at the appropriate times. Failure to laugh and / or any inappropriate verbal responses were grounds for removal from the audience. Al Franken and the Rev. Al Green were the guests; it was absolutely the least funny Letterman show I've ever seen. Upon leaving, my friends and I discussed how difficult it was to "laugh" when the material wasn't funny and how it sucked we were "warned" to laugh or else...

I'm reminded of this event with the chiding that's being doled out regarding booing, failure to cheer, failure to stand, etc. If the team plays with energy and enthusiasm, the crowd will get charged up and carry them thru down times. That never happened and frankly, reading this thread leaves me feeling eerily similar to the night I left the Letterman taping...

Lastly, as an early 40's aged alum, I don't need this chiding from the student contingent. I was supporting ISU well before you were born! I've purchased five season tickets for a number of years, contribute to the NCC and drive 2+ hours each way to attend every game. I'm not critical of the students, cheerleaders or band; shouldn't "my generation" of fans be lauded for our long-term support rather than bashed for your possibly ill-conceived perceptions of how we conduct ourselves?



hmmmm... :confused:

That is exactly my point in the original post. Some fans want more, a new era, but not a new era in terms of the atmosphere at the Jack. My point was a new era could also mean a new era in the way fans handle themselves... not just the players... the coaches... the athletic department. We will NOT be the loudest crowd in the Big 12 without change. Timing of when we get load being a huge point. People that leave early, again Thursday night. Hmmmm... those fans weren't there for the Wyoming game when we lost an 18 point lead in the 4th quarter. The game was still in doubt yet some "fans" chose to leave like years past.... nothing new. New ERA ? Guess we will see.... but still think my grading of the crowd was fair.... C+

Much more to be desired of the fans... not just the team and coaches.

(Heck... guys ... go hit the showers early if you're third string.. beat the rush of the real players.)

Go Clones. Won't EVER leave early !
 

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15, let me be blunt, change your tactics a bit

Do not grade the fans, nor lecture who is doing better or not. You are not helping to achieve your goal. All you are doing is creating more animosity.

There is no need to tick off other fans in your presentation of your points.

Just my opinion.
 

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So, do we see you then about refunds for our tickets?

You know, since we don't live up to your expectations as a fan?

Last time I checked, most coaches make a pretty decent pay check (at our expense). Players are getting free eduction and living (at our expense). And also, last time I checked, I wrote a decent check to go see these games (my expense).

Now if you and/or ISU would like to cut me said check, or refund my undergraduate expenses - well then I'd be perfectly willing to acknowledge your opinion that I'm some sort of inferior fan because I might not be what you want.
 

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Sorry guys... was not trying to upset or dictate to fans... just wanting to see a change as well... not just on the field. Hopefully we all get what we want and that is a good win Saturday night.

Go State
 

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That is exactly my point in the original post. Some fans want more, a new era, but not a new era in terms of the atmosphere at the Jack.

My two-day old rant didn't lend any credence to your "point" whatsoever! I'd love the crowd to be involved from beginning to end and I hate when people leave early to beat the rush. Even so, I take issue with the judgemental tone of your admonishments.

Many of the alumni in the west stands make great effort to be in attendence at these games. I'll open a window into my day last Thursday. I was out the door by 6AM for a consulting job in east-central Iowa. I was back in Iowa City by 3:30PM to pick up the kids after school and went by the hospital to pick up my wife from work. We drove two plus hours to attend the game and were still in our seats when the final whistle blew. We got home just before 1AM; the kids had school Friday and I had work appointments.

I'm not complaining; if I didn't love ISU and cherish the family time we derive from attending these games together, I wouldn't buy season tickets. Even so, you might want to "walk a mile in the stranger's shoes" before you start (or continue) criticizing the alum on the west side!
 

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Last night I went to a high school volleyball game. There couldn't have been more than 300 people in a gym that seats up to 800 during basketball season, but I have never heard it louder. We(Glenwood) were down 14-11 in the fifth match. If you look back, we had no reason to expect to win, because we had never beat Harlan. And we're Glenwood....we never win anything. But the crowd was going nuts and we cheered the girls on to a four point come back to take the lead, and we ended up winning 17-15. We rushed the court(well, one corner of it)and cheered the girls to the locker rooms. If the fans hadn't got into it when we were losing, the girls wouldn't have put in the extra effort to get the win. I understand that high school volleyball doesn't neccessarily correlate to college football, but I do think it is important for the fans to keep cheering even when our team is down.
 

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15, let me be blunt, change your tactics a bit

Do not grade the fans, nor lecture who is doing better or not. You are not helping to achieve your goal. All you are doing is creating more animosity.

There is no need to tick off other fans in your presentation of your points.

Just my opinion.

Agreed...
 

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The real disappointtment is having the ball at midfield with two seconds left, having a tall set of receivers, being able to throw long for the last play, able to get a pass defensive call if things worked out, maybe a fieldgoal then. Instead we give a freebie and tke a knee fo a loss.his ells me moe than what I want to know about the staff. If we hink we can be conservaive, ake no chances, run the ball for two in the second half, we ae destined to repeat twelve years of history: close but no cigar. It subdued the crowd the whole halftime, said we had no confidence in our qb, and let us know we are conservative republicans. I am not sure we can be good let alone great if we do not take more chances. It was our game to lose, and we did it. I actually blame the staff morethan the players in the end. The staff has to get better in how they view the game. Unfortunately our confidence shield has already been seriously damaged.
 
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My two-day old rant didn't lend any credence to your "point" whatsoever! I'd love the crowd to be involved from beginning to end and I hate when people leave early to beat the rush. Even so, I take issue with the judgemental tone of your admonishments.

Many of the alumni in the west stands make great effort to be in attendence at these games. I'll open a window into my day last Thursday. I was out the door by 6AM for a consulting job in east-central Iowa. I was back in Iowa City by 3:30PM to pick up the kids after school and went by the hospital to pick up my wife from work. We drove two plus hours to attend the game and were still in our seats when the final whistle blew. We got home just before 1AM; the kids had school Friday and I had work appointments.

I'm not complaining; if I didn't love ISU and cherish the family time we derive from attending these games together, I wouldn't buy season tickets. Even so, you might want to "walk a mile in the stranger's shoes" before you start (or continue) criticizing the alum on the west side!

I'm pretty sure thats a general statement - not refering just to Thursday nights, because I've seen plent of 4th quarters on saturday games where fans are exodusing en mass

An analogy, if I might. Almost two years ago, I was in NYC on business and obtained FREE tickets for the Monday night taping of the Friday night David Letterman show. At multiple points during the "seating process", they reminded us that we were REQUIRED to laugh at the appropriate times. Failure to laugh and / or any inappropriate verbal responses were grounds for removal from the audience. Al Franken and the Rev. Al Green were the guests; it was absolutely the least funny Letterman show I've ever seen. Upon leaving, my friends and I discussed how difficult it was to "laugh" when the material wasn't funny and how it sucked we were "warned" to laugh or else...

I'm reminded of this event with the chiding that's being doled out regarding booing, failure to cheer, failure to stand, etc. If the team plays with energy and enthusiasm, the crowd will get charged up and carry them thru down times. That never happened and frankly, reading this thread leaves me feeling eerily similar to the night I left the Letterman taping...

Lastly, as an early 40's aged alum, I don't need this chiding from the student contingent. I was supporting ISU well before you were born! I've purchased five season tickets for a number of years, contribute to the NCC and drive 2+ hours each way to attend every game. I'm not critical of the students, cheerleaders or band; shouldn't "my generation" of fans be lauded for our long-term support rather than bashed for your possibly ill-conceived perceptions of how we conduct ourselves?

I'm not trying to bash your long term support at all, nor am I targeting the 40ish aged alum. In fact if anything, I start my critism with the student section... particuarly those who are underaged, boozed up, trying to steal seats from those of us who were at the gates 2-1/2 hours before kick off. We then move to the students who stand there talking with their friends, and then move out to other sections...

In fact one of my favorite parts of the game Thursday was that the west side sections across from the student section were doing an excellent job of standing and twirling their towels on 3rd downs, or atleast they were for the first 3 quarters (by the way, I did mention that in a thread somewhere, kinda hard to tell where)

The point 15 and I are trying to make is that there is more to supporting your team than donating money. Yes, your 5 season tickets a year since since before I was born has made a much more real contribution than my 5 student season tickets that I've purchased in my time at ISU, as well as all my cheering on game day. However part of having a great program is having a great home field advantage which we really don't have right now (We do on rare occasion, like when we're stomping the Hawkeyes flat or a tornado tears through north of Ames but not very often)
I don't know about you guys, but I personally have a lot of fun when the stadium is loud and rowdy, and I also find it depressing when the opposing team's small contingent of 4000-5000 is cheering louder than our 40,000-45,000 fans :confused:
 

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I also find it depressing when the opposing team's small contingent of 4000-5000 is cheering louder than our 40,000-45,000 fans :confused:
It's circular. Fans can cheer on mediocrity for only so many quarters/seasons. For as long as this blog has been up, several of you have complained about fans that don't cheer blindly at the FB team no matter how disappointing the play and/or coaching of this team is. Positive reinforcement is only effective for so many years before new tactics need to be used.

What really pisses me off are the fans that think a bad play somehow directly affects the very fiber of their being and swear up a storm every time there is an error. It's hard to buy four season tickets for the family when "dedicated fans" are screaming like children that aren't getting their way.

Grow-up and quit ******** about the fringe fans that are responsible for the bulk of the 35K plus season tickets sold-keep crying like you are and ticket sales will be back down in the mid 20K's with the usually low alumni support :no:
 

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I haven't read all the posts on here now that it is up to 6 pages, but I'll add my two pennies anyway, and perhaps these points have already been made. I've been to a lot of college football stadiums, and in comparison, I've never seen a crowd get the life sucked out of them faster than ISU's crowd when something goes wrong. I think it comes from decades of mediocrity (at best) and the crowds being used to losing or something inevitably going wrong on the next play. Like other states without pro-teams, Iowans only have EIU and ISU to root for when it comes to D-I football. Our fans should go crazy... we talk and think about football all year and out of a season that lasts a few months of the year, there are usually only 5 or 6 opportunities in the year to yell your lungs out in Ames. We all love our Clones. I just wish it showed at JT against every opponent in every game regardless of the score. Two years ago, nebraska was getting whomped by TT in Lincoln. In the 2nd half, you could sense even on TV the crowd almost willing the huskers back from behind, and they nearly did pull out a victory. To me, it's too bad that people keep referring back to the one game vs. CU in 2005 as to how great the crowd was. It should be like that for most games, whether there were tornado warnings before the game or not. As CU coach Dan Hawkins said last year "THIS IS BIG 12 FOOTBALL!" our players are trying to play at the Big 12 level, let's have the fans create a Big 12 atmosphere as well.
 

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After losing for about 100 years iowa state is lucky or should i say fortunate to have 47000 fans who are willing to show up to any football game.

Heck at one time old Kansas State could only sell 7600 season tickets and nobody and not even the students showed up for the football games.



Old & proud of it
 

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After losing for about 100 years iowa state is lucky or should i say fortunate to have 47000 fans who are willing to show up to any football game.

Heck at one time old Kansas State could only sell 7600 season tickets and nobody and not even the students showed up for the football games.



Old & proud of it


yep, and what happened at K-State since then??
 

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It's circular. ...Grow-up and quit ******** about the fringe fans that are responsible for the bulk of the 35K plus season tickets sold-keep crying like you are and ticket sales will be back down in the mid 20K's with the usually low alumni support :no:

How in the world has this thread become so devising? Cyclone15 presents his ideology. It's not difficult to understand, nor difficult to see where he is coming from. It is a proactive response to this "New Era" in our football program. I'd give him more rep except the damn "spread it around" limiter is engaged. :yes:
 

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